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Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad. :-\


Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

Apple Just Dropped 3 New M5 Devices - HUGE Performance Gains!
Video (9mins 17secs)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-igIsgUro

We've rounded up our coverage and highlighted the main
feature changes for each device below.

MacBook Pro
- M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- Neural Accelerators for GPU
- 153GB/s memory bandwidth, up from 120GB/s
- 2x faster SSD
- Up to 4TB storage
- Priced starting at $1,599

iPad Pro
- M5 chip with up to 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- 12GB RAM minimum
- 2x faster SSD read and write speeds
- N1 networking chip with Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6
- C1X modem with up to 50 percent faster cellular data
performance
- Fast charge support with 50% charge in 35 minutes
- Priced starting at $999

Vision Pro
- M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- 10 percent more pixels rendered on micro-OLED displays
for sharper images and crisper text
- Refresh rate up to 120Hz for reduced motion blur
- Longer 2.5 hour battery life
- More comfortable Dual Knit Band
- Priced starting at $3,499
- Dual Knit Band included with M5 model, or $99 standalone

Launch Date
The new M5 devices are available for pre-order starting today,
and will launch on Wednesday, October 22.

Our Full Coverage
There are more tidbits on what was announced today available
in our coverage of the new devices.

- Apple Unveils M5 Chip With Next-Generation GPU

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-unveils-m5-chip-with-next-generation-gpu/>


- Apple Announces New 14-Inch MacBook Pro With M5 Chip

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-macbook-pro-with-m5-chip/>


- New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in
Europe

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/>


- Apple Debuts New iPad Pro With M5 Chip, Faster Charging,
and More

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-debuts-new-ipad-pro-with-m5/>


- Apple Updates Vision Pro With M5 Chip, Dual Knit Band, and
120Hz Support

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-vision-pro-with-m5-chip/>


- Two New Accessories for Vision Pro Now Available, With More
Coming

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-accessories-for-vision-pro-now-available/>


- Discontinued M2 Vision Pro Not Available for Trade-In

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/discontinued-m2-vision-pro-not-available-for-trade-in/>


- Apple Releases Black Version of Magic Keyboard for iPad Air

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-releases-black-magic-keyboard-for-ipad-air/>




<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>




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Am 16.10.25 um 06:48 schrieb Your Name:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe).

Because everyone has at least one already. You are a brain dead Troll,
dear.

Especially you show that you do not understand modern sustainablity
concepts. You post shows that the EC-concept works perfectly. Globally!
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Am 16.10.25 um 06:48 schrieb Your Name:

Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------

Everyone who joins Usenet is able to use Internet. Your product
propaganda is more than redundant. Stop this this crossposting bullshit.
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In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad. :-\

Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

Apple Just Dropped 3 New M5 Devices - HUGE Performance Gains!
Video (9mins 17secs)
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-igIsgUro

We've rounded up our coverage and highlighted the main
feature changes for each device below.

MacBook Pro
- M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- Neural Accelerators for GPU
- 153GB/s memory bandwidth, up from 120GB/s
- 2x faster SSD
- Up to 4TB storage
- Priced starting at $1,599

iPad Pro
- M5 chip with up to 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- 12GB RAM minimum
- 2x faster SSD read and write speeds
- N1 networking chip with Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6
- C1X modem with up to 50 percent faster cellular data
performance
- Fast charge support with 50% charge in 35 minutes
- Priced starting at $999

Vision Pro
- M5 chip with 10-core CPU and 10-core GPU
- 10 percent more pixels rendered on micro-OLED displays
for sharper images and crisper text
- Refresh rate up to 120Hz for reduced motion blur
- Longer 2.5 hour battery life
- More comfortable Dual Knit Band
- Priced starting at $3,499
- Dual Knit Band included with M5 model, or $99 standalone

Launch Date
The new M5 devices are available for pre-order starting today,
and will launch on Wednesday, October 22.

Our Full Coverage
There are more tidbits on what was announced today available
in our coverage of the new devices.

- Apple Unveils M5 Chip With Next-Generation GPU

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-unveils-m5-chip-with-next-generati
on-gpu/>

- Apple Announces New 14-Inch MacBook Pro With M5 Chip

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-macbook-pro-with-m5-chip

- New MacBook Pro Does Not Include a Charger in the Box in
Europe

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-macbook-pro-lacks-charger-in-europe/

- Apple Debuts New iPad Pro With M5 Chip, Faster Charging,
and More

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-debuts-new-ipad-pro-with-m5/>

- Apple Updates Vision Pro With M5 Chip, Dual Knit Band, and
120Hz Support

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-announces-vision-pro-with-m5-chip/

- Two New Accessories for Vision Pro Now Available, With More
Coming

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/new-accessories-for-vision-pro-now-avail
able/>

- Discontinued M2 Vision Pro Not Available for Trade-In

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/discontinued-m2-vision-pro-not-available
-for-trade-in/>

- Apple Releases Black Version of Magic Keyboard for iPad Air

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-releases-black-magic-keyboard-for-
ipad-air/>

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
imagine it sticking around.
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On 2025-10-15 21:48, Your Name wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\

What is the use of making everyone settle on one standard for charging devices...

...and then including a charger with every device that's sold?
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On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad. :-\


Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

<snip>

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series. Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
imagine it sticking around.

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to
move to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a
foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the
iPhone and iPad.



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On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook
Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\


Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

<snip>

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
imagine it sticking around.

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move
to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a
foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone
and iPad.

Why do you say that?
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Am 17.10.25 um 07:09 schrieb Your Name:

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to
move to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the
iPhone and iPad.

Utter nonsense!

You should learn that the Mac Pro is a thing from a very distant past
and at best is justified for extreme niche applications which are not
relevant for private users. And btw: The M-Series is a CPU and the form
factor of the machine is a separate issue and has nothing to do with the performance of the CPU. Given today's performance levels of iPads and
MacBooks people do not buy these bulky crap anymore.
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In article <10csjdg$rcmk$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
wrote:

On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers
will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook >>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\ >>>

Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

<snip>

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series.
Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not
really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the
SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
imagine it sticking around.

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a
foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone and iPad.

Why do you say that?

Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
buy the chip.

The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The
architecture just can't utilize it.

That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
something else that hasn't even occured to me.

Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
the Mini. Quite impressive, really.

I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people
needing audio cards or similar hardware.
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On 2025-10-17 20:25:51 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10csjdg$rcmk$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
wrote:

On 2025-10-16 22:09, Your Name wrote:

On 2025-10-17 03:03:01 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10cptee$5hjc$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

Thanks to the braindead morons in the EU governments, European buyers >>>>> will have to dig deeper in the pockets to get a charger for the MacBook >>>>> Pro (it's uncertain yet if that means a lower price for the laptop
itself in Europe). Unfortunately, such idiocy will no doubt happen
everywhere eventually, just like it has for the iPhone and iPad.  :-\ >>>>>

Here's Everything Apple Announced Today
---------------------------------------
We didn't get a second fall event this year, but Apple did
unveil updated products with a series of press releases that
went out today. The M5 chip made an appearance in new
MacBook Pro, Vision Pro, and iPad Pro models.

<snip>

<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/10/15/apple-m5-chip-announcements/>

Still nothing on the Mac Pro, the red-headed stepchild of the M-series. >>>> Really it ought to be nothing but a PCI-compatable Mac Studio (and not >>>> really a huge selling point considering you can't use a GPU card on the >>>> SoC ARM architecture). Much as I love the cheese grater look I can't
imagine it sticking around.

The so-called "Mac Pro" became a dead machine when Apple decided to move >>> to their own Apple Silicon M-series chips ... which itself was a
foregone conclusion when they use their own A-series chips in the iPhone >>> and iPad.

Why do you say that?

Apple silicon uses system-on-a-chip ARM architecture, which weds the
CPU, GPU, and RAM into a single chip. This makes them very solid
machines but the downside is that you can't use any external GPUs or
upgrade RAM - you're limited by your decision on those aspects when you
buy the chip.

The upside is that even my stock M3 can game very well and handle any
other applications I throw at it. I think LTT did a review trying to
play Cyberpunk on an M-series and it did shockingly well. BUT, even if
you have a Mac Pro you can't supplement that with a GPU card. The architecture just can't utilize it.

That means, as others have pointed out, it's relegated to being a
machine for specific uses - audio cards, server purposes, maybe
something else that hasn't even occured to me.

Some scientific equipment too, but the reality is that number of users
that need PCI slots is miniscule, and even smaller since Apple removed
the possibility of changing graphics cards (which were not only used
for graphics, but also as secondary processors).

Anything you could accomplish with a Mac Pro you should look at getting
the Mac Studio for. It's the same chip in a form factor just larger than
the Mini. Quite impressive, really.

I suppose the real question is: why does Apple keep around the tower
design instead of just putting some sort of PCI slot(s) in the Mac
Studio body? Would easily cater to those specific use cases for people needing audio cards or similar hardware.

You can get external PCI boxes that plug into any Mac (or Windows PC
for that matter) via Thunderbolt, etc., although they probably don't
work with graphics cards either.


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