I just responded to "Tom Elam" where his arguments are the same absurd "logic" that all the Apple trolls use, which is that since Apple patched an old bug once, that means, duh, that *all* bugs are patched by Apple.
*The iPhone has the most zero-day holes of any smartphone again!* <https://newsgrouper.org/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/194418/194752>
Yet, that's just absurd.
It's like believing that Santa Claus exists simply because they saw him at the mall - so everything about Santa Claus must, duh, be 100% correct.
How many times do we have to tell the Apple trolls the same facts before
they sink in to their child-like religious-zealot herd-animal brains?
I just responded to "Tom Elam" where his arguments are the same absurd "logic" that all the Apple trolls use, which is that since Apple patched an old bug once, that means, duh, that *all* bugs are patched by Apple.
*The iPhone has the most zero-day holes of any smartphone again!* <https://newsgrouper.org/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/194418/194752>
Yet, that's just absurd.
It's like believing that Santa Claus exists simply because they saw him at the mall - so everything about Santa Claus must, duh, be 100% correct.
How many times do we have to tell the Apple trolls the same facts before
they sink in to their child-like religious-zealot herd-animal brains?
How many times do we have to tell the Apple trolls the same facts before
they sink in to their child-like religious-zealot herd-animal brains?
I haven't read the post in question so can't comment on its content or relevance.
But I'm curious as to why you would waste any effort or energy in
responding to or commenting on a poster you consider a troll? Seems to
me that most people who are not themselves trolls will either ignore or
flat out block any poster they regard as a troll.
Just sayin...
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 23:00:01 -0500, Rick wrote :
How many times do we have to tell the Apple trolls the same facts before >>> they sink in to their child-like religious-zealot herd-animal brains?
I haven't read the post in question so can't comment on its content or
relevance.
But I'm curious as to why you would waste any effort or energy in
responding to or commenting on a poster you consider a troll? Seems
to me that most people who are not themselves trolls will either
ignore or flat out block any poster they regard as a troll.
Just sayin...
You have a great point. I have indeed long ago filtered out the most egregious Apple trolls, such as Alan Baker, Snit, Joerg Lorenz, et al.
But I haven't filtered all of them out yet.
However, you're absolutely correct though that I'm wasting my time on Apple newsgroups because most who post here know nothing about Apple products.
They only know the (admittedly brilliant) Apple propaganda. Hell....
even Gemini AI (from Google) only knows the Apple propaganda.
But AI can be taught (the Apple trolls can't).
Want proof?
<https://i.postimg.cc/d0m2BKZZ/ai01.jpg> Who has the worst hotfix support? <https://i.postimg.cc/6qSn3Wgg/ai02.jpg> Not propaganda, but in writing? <https://i.postimg.cc/4N7p0chg/ai03.jpg> What's Apple's written promise? <https://i.postimg.cc/MKC1JGyj/ai04.jpg> Who has the longest support? <https://i.postimg.cc/d0BCCmg8/ai05.jpg> So is Apple's support the worst? <https://i.postimg.cc/PxV83fXJ/ai06.jpg> Whose is longest & shortest? <https://i.postimg.cc/FsHhFbVM/ai07.jpg> Have you read my factual cites? <https://i.postimg.cc/rm5wW8D7/ai08.jpg> Which OS is most exploited? <https://i.postimg.cc/GmZRjWnR/ai09.jpg> Why are iPhones most exploited? <https://i.postimg.cc/PxMkTNpf/ai10.jpg> Summarize iOS vs Android support.
What the entire conversation log?
I've presented that exact same evidence to him which he promptly ignores
and focuses instead on online statements which have no substance.
Most of what he states is false and the rest is an exaggeration. Very occasionally he is correct, but that's more by accident than intent.
I've presented that exact same evidence to him which he promptly ignores
and focuses instead on online statements which have no substance.
Most of what he states is false and the rest is an exaggeration. Very
occasionally he is correct, but that's more by accident than intent.
Heh heh heh... not one of you Apple trolls knows anything about Apple.
All you Apple troll religious zealots know is the Apple propaganda.
Which facts are you herd-animal Apple zealot trolls disputing, Chris?
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than Android?
4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project Mainline?
You Apple trolls only believe in propaganda so you actually hate facts.
Given you claim the facts are wrong, which facts are you saying are wrong?
Note: I'm nothing like you Apple trolls in that I will admit any time that I'm wrong as my ego isn't tied to my belief system like that of you trolls.
But you claiming all facts you don't like are wrong, doesn't cut it Chris.
Be a man.
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be wrong.
On 2/25/2025 4:56 AM, Marion wrote:
I've presented that exact same evidence to him which he promptly ignores >> and focuses instead on online statements which have no substance.
Most of what he states is false and the rest is an exaggeration. Very
occasionally he is correct, but that's more by accident than intent.
Heh heh heh... not one of you Apple trolls knows anything about Apple.
All you Apple troll religious zealots know is the Apple propaganda.
Which facts are you herd-animal Apple zealot trolls disputing, Chris?
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than Android? 4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project Mainline?
You Apple trolls only believe in propaganda so you actually hate facts. Given you claim the facts are wrong, which facts are you saying are wrong?
Note: I'm nothing like you Apple trolls in that I will admit any time that I'm wrong as my ego isn't tied to my belief system like that of you trolls.
But you claiming all facts you don't like are wrong, doesn't cut it Chris. Be a man.
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be wrong.
Point by point
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
That is the minumum, actual is more, and equal to Samsung
https://www.knowyourmobile.com/user-guides/iphone/how-long-does-apple-support-
iphones-complete-update-list/#:~:text=Apple%20offers%206-8%20years%20of%20iOS%
20updates%2C%20surpassing,demands%2C%20ending%20support%20%E2%80%93%20find%20o
ut%20why%20here.
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
True, but equal to Apple actual
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than Android?
Exploits <> harm
4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
Not true, iOS gets updates to all versions. Android does not update
versions that cannot support new feature.
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
Support with citations
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
This is very true, thanks for admitting.
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project Mainline?--- Synchronet 3.20c-Linux NewsLink 1.2
Project Mainline brings Android close to the standard set by Apple. It
helps fix OS fragmentation issues for key OS components. It is not an advantage over iOS, it addresses a weakness.
Indeed. In fact, I still have an iPhone 5. Still works fine. This
was released on September 12, 2012. On July 22, 2019 there was an
update to 10.3.4.
How many years is that?
These are facts. You can lookup the iPhone release dates on
Everymac.com and the iOS release dates on Wikipedia.
Let's see how Marion "I only deal in facts" the Apple troll deals with
THESE facts.
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
This is very true, thanks for admitting.
Amazing that he admitted this.
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be wrong.
Point by point
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
That is the minumum, actual is more, and equal to Samsung
https://www.knowyourmobile.com/user-guides/iphone/how-long-does-apple-support-iphones-complete-update-list/#:~:text=Apple%20offers%206-8%20years%20of%20iOS%20updates%2C%20surpassing,demands%2C%20ending%20support%20%E2%80%93%20find%20out%20why%20here.
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
True, but equal to Apple actual
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than Android?
Exploits <> harm
4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
Not true, iOS gets updates to all versions. Android does not update
versions that cannot support new feature.
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
Support with citations
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
This is very true, thanks for admitting.
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project Mainline?
Project Mainline brings Android close to the standard set by Apple. It
helps fix OS fragmentation issues for key OS components. It is not an advantage over iOS, it addresses a weakness.
On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 13:05:41 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be
wrong.
Point by point
FACT:
Apple full hotfix support is the worst in the industry, by far.
On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 13:05:41 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be
wrong.
Point by point
FACT:
Apple full hotfix support is the worst in the industry, by far.
The reason you Apple trolls are always dead wrong is you're herd animals.
You don't actually UNDERSTAND anything. You just go with the herd.
Your whole lives you've been told you were stupid, so, to adapt, as a
coping mechanism, all you Apple trolls simply followed the herd.
None of you can comprehend there's a *DIFFERENCE* between these things:
1. FULL hotfix support (versus random occasional bugfix support)
2. A written legal promise of FULL support (versus partial support)
3. FULL support for a SINGLE release at a time (versus multiple releases)
4. Actual EXPLOITS in the wild versus malware that nobody is using
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
That is the minumum, actual is more, and equal to Samsung
https://www.knowyourmobile.com/user-guides/iphone/how-long-does-apple-
support-iphones-complete-update-list/
#:~:text=Apple%20offers%206-8%20years%20of%20iOS%20updates%2C%20surpassing,demands%2C%20ending%20support%20%E2%80%93%20find%20out%20why%20here.
See above. You Apple trolls can't figure out there's a difference between FULL PROMISED WRITTEN LEGALLY BINDING support, versus random support.
The FULL PROMISED WRITTEN LEGALLY BINDING support is the following:
A. Apple iOS = 5 years, one release at a time only!
B. Google Pixel = 7 years, multiple releases simultaneously
C. Samsung S series = 7 years, multiple releases simultaneously
FACT: Apple's full hotfix support is the worst in the industry.
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
True, but equal to Apple actual
Only an Apple troll would claim 5 years of full support and one release at
a time is "equal" to 7 years and multiple releases at a time.
The fact is Apple's full hotfix support is the worst in the industry.
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than
Android?
Exploits <> harm
Those are *real* exploits in the wild for God's sake. That's harm.
The reason it's important that iOS is far more insecure than Android is all you Apple troll herd animals believe only in the propagnada from Apple.
The fact is iOS is the most exploited operating system in the industry.
4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
Not true, iOS gets updates to all versions. Android does not update
versions that cannot support new feature.
Jesus Christ. Nobody is as stupid as you Apple trolls are. Nobody.
Even Apple says they've never fully supported more than one release at a
time in their entire history. Only an Apple troll would claim otherwise.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security- flaws-in-latest-os-releases> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security- update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
The link to Apple's own document proving this fact is in those cites.
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
Support with citations
Jesus Christ. Seriously. Nobody is as ignorant as you Apple trolls.
The Samsung & Google cites clearly say MULTIPLE releases of full support. Windows clearly supports multiple releases of full support.
Apple's own document clearly says they have never in their entire history ever fully supported more than a single release at a time.
Only you Apple trolls would claim Apple lied about their own support. *Distinguishing software updates from upgrades* <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates- depc4c80847a/>
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
This is very true, thanks for admitting.
Of course Android has more malware than iOS given iOS is designed as a dumb terminal devoid of the ability to do anything without logging into Apple's servers.
A dumb terminal doesn't actually do anything on its own, so of course
there's more malware on every other operating system than on iOS.
You can't even run the Tor browser on iOS for Heaven's sake. Nor can you
do any graphical wi-fi or cellular debugging.
You can't even change the launcher. Or change the default messenger.
You can't even spoof GPS for God's sake.
Since you have to get your extremely limited apps from only the iOS Apple Store, of course there's less malware. But also no useful functionality.
Android users are not herd animals afraid of everything that is out there.
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project Mainline?
Project Mainline brings Android close to the standard set by Apple. It
helps fix OS fragmentation issues for key OS components. It is not an
advantage over iOS, it addresses a weakness.
The fact you think that Mainline brings Android close to Apple means you're completely ignorant that the RSR mechanism (aka hotfix) only came to iOS in iOS 16. Note that every other OS has had hotfixes since day one.
*iOS RSR patches* (only available in iOS16+): <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
The point with Mainline/Treble is that dozens of Android core packages are updated every single month for *billions* of Android phones over the net.
We're on Android 15 now, and they're *still* updating Android 10 and up! Every single month. Every single Android phone.
Meanwhile, iOS is a single release for full hotfix support, and any device only gets a legal promise of a puny five years of full hotfix support.
In summary, it's obvious by the facts that Apple's support is the worst.
It's clear you Apple trolls can't even figure out the difference between:
1. FULL hotfix support (versus random occasional bugfix support)
2. A written legal promise of FULL support (versus partial support)
3. FULL support for a SINGLE release at a time (versus multiple releases)
4. Actual EXPLOITS in the wild versus malware that nobody is using
On 3/27/2025 1:35 PM, Marion wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 13:05:41 -0400, Tom Elam wrote :
Tell us all which of the seven facts I stated above you claim to be
wrong.
Point by point
FACT:
Apple full hotfix support is the worst in the industry, by far.
The reason you Apple trolls are always dead wrong is you're herd animals.
You don't actually UNDERSTAND anything. You just go with the herd.
Your whole lives you've been told you were stupid, so, to adapt, as a
coping mechanism, all you Apple trolls simply followed the herd.
None of you can comprehend there's a *DIFFERENCE* between these things:
1. FULL hotfix support (versus random occasional bugfix support)
2. A written legal promise of FULL support (versus partial support)
3. FULL support for a SINGLE release at a time (versus multiple releases)
4. Actual EXPLOITS in the wild versus malware that nobody is using
1. The fact that Apple published their iOS support which is five years?
That is the minumum, actual is more, and equal to Samsung
https://www.knowyourmobile.com/user-guides/iphone/how-long-does-
apple- support-iphones-complete-update-list/
#:~:text=Apple%20offers%206-8%20years%20of%20iOS%20updates%2C%20surpassing,demands%2C%20ending%20support%20%E2%80%93%20find%20out%20why%20here.
See above. You Apple trolls can't figure out there's a difference between
FULL PROMISED WRITTEN LEGALLY BINDING support, versus random support.
The FULL PROMISED WRITTEN LEGALLY BINDING support is the following:
A. Apple iOS = 5 years, one release at a time only!
B. Google Pixel = 7 years, multiple releases simultaneously
C. Samsung S series = 7 years, multiple releases simultaneously
FACT: Apple's full hotfix support is the worst in the industry.
2. Or the fact that Google/Samsung published theirs, which is seven?
True, but equal to Apple actual
Only an Apple troll would claim 5 years of full support and one
release at
a time is "equal" to 7 years and multiple releases at a time.
The fact is Apple's full hotfix support is the worst in the industry.
3. Or the fact that CISA shows iOS to have far more exploits than
Android?
Exploits <> harm
Those are *real* exploits in the wild for God's sake. That's harm.
The reason it's important that iOS is far more insecure than Android
is all
you Apple troll herd animals believe only in the propagnada from Apple.
The fact is iOS is the most exploited operating system in the industry.
4. Or the fact that Apple only fully supports one OS release at a time?
Not true, iOS gets updates to all versions. Android does not update
versions that cannot support new feature.
Jesus Christ. Nobody is as stupid as you Apple trolls are. Nobody.
Even Apple says they've never fully supported more than one release at a
time in their entire history. Only an Apple troll would claim otherwise.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-
security- flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-
update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
The link to Apple's own document proving this fact is in those cites.
5. Or the fact that every other OS vendor fully supports more than one?
Support with citations
Jesus Christ. Seriously. Nobody is as ignorant as you Apple trolls.
The Samsung & Google cites clearly say MULTIPLE releases of full support.
Windows clearly supports multiple releases of full support.
Apple's own document clearly says they have never in their entire history
ever fully supported more than a single release at a time.
Only you Apple trolls would claim Apple lied about their own support.
*Distinguishing software updates from upgrades*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-
depc4c80847a/>
6. Or the fact that Android overall has more malware than iOS does?
This is very true, thanks for admitting.
Of course Android has more malware than iOS given iOS is designed as a
dumb
terminal devoid of the ability to do anything without logging into
Apple's
servers.
A dumb terminal doesn't actually do anything on its own, so of course
there's more malware on every other operating system than on iOS.
You can't even run the Tor browser on iOS for Heaven's sake. Nor can
you do any graphical wi-fi or cellular debugging.
You can't even change the launcher. Or change the default messenger.
You can't even spoof GPS for God's sake.
Since you have to get your extremely limited apps from only the iOS Apple
Store, of course there's less malware. But also no useful functionality.
Android users are not herd animals afraid of everything that is out
there.
7. Or the fact that Android 10+ is updated ~monthly via Project
Mainline?
Project Mainline brings Android close to the standard set by Apple.
It helps fix OS fragmentation issues for key OS components. It is not
an advantage over iOS, it addresses a weakness.
The fact you think that Mainline brings Android close to Apple means
you're
completely ignorant that the RSR mechanism (aka hotfix) only came to
iOS in
iOS 16. Note that every other OS has had hotfixes since day one.
*iOS RSR patches* (only available in iOS16+):
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
The point with Mainline/Treble is that dozens of Android core packages
are
updated every single month for *billions* of Android phones over the net.
We're on Android 15 now, and they're *still* updating Android 10 and up!
Every single month. Every single Android phone.
Meanwhile, iOS is a single release for full hotfix support, and any
device
only gets a legal promise of a puny five years of full hotfix support.
In summary, it's obvious by the facts that Apple's support is the worst.
It's clear you Apple trolls can't even figure out the difference between:
1. FULL hotfix support (versus random occasional bugfix support)
2. A written legal promise of FULL support (versus partial support)
3. FULL support for a SINGLE release at a time (versus multiple releases)
4. Actual EXPLOITS in the wild versus malware that nobody is using
So where is the proof that there are significant iOS security issues
that are causing real harm to iPhone owners?
https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/31/rumor-ios-19-will-drop-support-for-three- iphone-models/
Those 3 were 2018 models.
"Even if the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR don’t support iOS
19, they will continue to receive software updates from Apple. For
example, just today Apple released iOS 16.7.11 with security fixes for
the iPhone 8 and iPhone X."
iPhone 8 and X were 2017 releases.
Also just released:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/03/31/apple-hasnt-forgotten-about- some-older-ios-ipados-and-macos-versions
"iOS 15.8.4 will be installable on the iPhone 6s and Plus, iPhone 7, and Plus, and the second-gen iPhone SE."
iPhone 6 was a 2014 release, so 11 years of security support.
What's wrong with you that you cannot understand these facts?
So where is the proof that there are significant iOS security issues
that are causing real harm to iPhone owners? https://9to5mac.com/2025/03/31/rumor-ios-19-will-drop-support-for-three-iphone-models/
Those 3 were 2018 models.
"Even if the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and iPhone XR don't support iOS
19, they will continue to receive software updates from Apple.
For
example, just today Apple released iOS 16.7.11 with security fixes for
the iPhone 8 and iPhone X."
iPhone 8 and X were 2017 releases.
Also just released:
https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/03/31/apple-hasnt-forgotten-about-some-older-ios-ipados-and-macos-versions
"iOS 15.8.4 will be installable on the iPhone 6s and Plus, iPhone 7, and Plus, and the second-gen iPhone SE."
iPhone 6 was a 2014 release, so 11 years of security support.
What's wrong with you that you cannot understand these facts?
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