• Re: What does "Reinstall macOS" do, exactly?

    From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 08:26:30 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk
    Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of
    Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube
    channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    will it turn into a naked woman at mid night
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Mon Aug 19 15:47:44 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 2:47:23 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <v9v4bd$2qpr2$1@dont-email.me>:

    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that
    reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    You should remember that the procedure is "wipe and reinstall" not just "reinstall" when malware is the problem.

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh27903/mac

    But also keep in mind the need for this with macOS is very rare.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 15:57:54 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 8:26:30 AM MST, "%" wrote <RZOdnU3uDai7-V77nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>> Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube >>> channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    will it turn into a naked woman at mid night

    No... but there is a time it will. I am not sharing.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 15:59:11 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk
    Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my
    files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop
    wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-
    reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions.

    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of Usenet.

    How so? What I find funny is how Gremlin was so proud he figured this out.
    LOL! Heck, for some clients they do not send until you send them... they are stored in an outbox.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 16:00:24 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:53:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligc0dFa2gdU5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 23:19, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that
    reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware? >>
    Probably not many.
    Fair point.
    Even a low level format in the Windows world does not guarantee the removal >> of ALL malware.
    Probably 95+ percent of malware but not 100%
    I'm pretty sure gremlin, APD, FTR, Kelli, ME or others can give a more
    comprehensive answer.

    Thank you for your sensible answer, 'Pothead'.

    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide the fact they are not able to back their views.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 18:30:21 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/08/2024 16:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk
    Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of
    Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube
    channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    <sigh> Of course.

    Did you miss, or just ignore, the euphemism?
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 19:12:46 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:30:21 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lihdpdFf69lU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>> Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube >>> channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    <sigh> Of course.

    Did you miss, or just ignore, the euphemism?

    Listen faster? I missed that.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 20:46:36 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/08/2024 16:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk
    Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of
    Usenet.

    How so?

    I suspect that most folk prefer to answer one post at a time, not deal
    with twenty or thirty all at one sitting.

    I know you are 'different' and use a 'phone. I NEVER do that; always a computer.

    What I find funny is how Gremlin was so proud he figured this out.
    LOL! Heck, for some clients they do not send until you send them... they are stored in an outbox.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube
    channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos,
    it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂


    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 21:21:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:53:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ligc0dFa2gdU5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 23:19, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that
    reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    Probably not many.
    Fair point.
    Even a low level format in the Windows world does not guarantee the removal >>> of ALL malware.
    Probably 95+ percent of malware but not 100%
    I'm pretty sure gremlin, APD, FTR, Kelli, ME or others can give a more
    comprehensive answer.

    Thank you for your sensible answer, 'Pothead'.

    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch. >>
    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Aug 19 21:28:50 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/08/2024 20:12, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:30:21 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lihdpdFf69lU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old >>>>>>>>>> questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>>> Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube >>>> channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos, >>>> it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll
    just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    <sigh> Of course.

    Did you miss, or just ignore, the euphemism?

    Listen faster? I missed that.

    Sure! You need to *READ SLOWER* - and get to understand what's being
    said! ;-)
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 00:19:45 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 1:28:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liho82Fgri2U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 20:12, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:30:21 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lihdpdFf69lU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old >>>>>>>>>>> questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>>>> Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more
    slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube >>>>> channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos, >>>>> it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll >>>>> just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    <sigh> Of course.

    Did you miss, or just ignore, the euphemism?

    Listen faster? I missed that.

    Sure! You need to *READ SLOWER* - and get to understand what's being
    said! ;-)



    O


    K
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 00:33:49 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 1:21:29 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lihnq9FgdajU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:53:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligc0dFa2gdU5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 23:19, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that >>>>> reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    Probably not many.
    Fair point.
    Even a low level format in the Windows world does not guarantee the removal
    of ALL malware.
    Probably 95+ percent of malware but not 100%
    I'm pretty sure gremlin, APD, FTR, Kelli, ME or others can give a more >>>> comprehensive answer.

    Thank you for your sensible answer, 'Pothead'.

    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch. >>>
    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.


    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 00:37:26 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:46:36 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lihlosFgdajU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old
    questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast.

    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>> Usenet.

    How so?

    I suspect that most folk prefer to answer one post at a time, not deal
    with twenty or thirty all at one sitting.

    While I tend to do so, nothing makes us do so. I have no issue with, say, Gremlin posting 20 or more posts at once... but it was funny how proud he was of it.

    I know you are 'different' and use a 'phone. I NEVER do that; always a computer.

    I mostly use a computer. But it is a good point -- my phone app sends in batches. Less data usage.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 08:54:59 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 01:19, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 1:28:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liho82Fgri2U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 20:12, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:30:21 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lihdpdFf69lU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 4:00:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligmv7FbrhbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 11:31, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 19/08/2024 10:51, FromTheRafters wrote:
    David Brooks pretended :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Aug 18, 2024 at 4:17:09 PM EDT, "pothead"
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    DB probably wrote it. All he does is post links to his old >>>>>>>>>>>> questions, in a
    desperate attempt to get more replies to his ancient questions. >>>>>>>>>>>
    +1

    How did you make two posts at the same time? (2206)

    Send in a batch, like Gremlin does or type really really fast. >>>>>>>>
    Will you, please, explain exactly how one can do that?

    Thanks, if you will.

    Write in offline mode, then go online,

    I see. I've never tried to do that. It seems to be against the spirit of >>>>>> Usenet.

    or type really really fast.

    That's what 'pothead' says he did! ;-)

    Btw .....

    Some weeks ago I suggested to Tim Davies that he try to speak more >>>>>> slowly in his YouTube videos.

    His response to me?

    //People ask me to change the whole time but none of them have a Youtube >>>>>> channel and have no idea of what it takes to constantly put out videos, >>>>>> it's not easy but I'm not changing for people - it's who I am, you'll >>>>>> just have to listen faster.//

    *Listen faster*!

    I really liked that! 🙂

    You can also set it to play slower.

    <sigh> Of course.

    Did you miss, or just ignore, the euphemism?

    Listen faster? I missed that.

    Sure! You need to *READ SLOWER* - and get to understand what's being
    said! ;-)



    O


    K




    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 08:58:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 01:33, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 1:21:29 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lihnq9FgdajU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:53:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligc0dFa2gdU5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 23:19, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that >>>>>> reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    Probably not many.
    Fair point.
    Even a low level format in the Windows world does not guarantee the removal
    of ALL malware.
    Probably 95+ percent of malware but not 100%
    I'm pretty sure gremlin, APD, FTR, Kelli, ME or others can give a more >>>>> comprehensive answer.

    Thank you for your sensible answer, 'Pothead'.

    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch. >>>>
    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 13:51:00 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 20, 2024 at 12:58:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lij0k9FmgtjU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 01:33, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 1:21:29 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lihnq9FgdajU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 12:53:49 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ligc0dFa2gdU5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 23:19, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that >>>>>>> reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    Probably not many.
    Fair point.
    Even a low level format in the Windows world does not guarantee the removal
    of ALL malware.
    Probably 95+ percent of malware but not 100%
    I'm pretty sure gremlin, APD, FTR, Kelli, ME or others can give a more >>>>>> comprehensive answer.

    Thank you for your sensible answer, 'Pothead'.

    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 15:14:53 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks. >>
    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 14:28:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say. And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but
    I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 19:22:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 15:28, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say. And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    I understand that it does exist - somebody compiled it.
    Was it pothead?

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.

    Talk to HIM about it - talk to 'pothead'!
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 19:57:40 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 20, 2024 at 11:22:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lik57jFrqd7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 15:28, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say. >> And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    I understand that it does exist - somebody compiled it.
    Was it pothead?

    This will just lead to another Carroll tantrum... he and Sandman used to make such lists but now he denies it. Like he denies so much else from 2004 or so.

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but
    I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.

    Talk to HIM about it - talk to 'pothead'!

    If he offers specific examples I will listen -- if I read the post. I do not read all of his.

    See if he offers to apologize for his nonstop attacks. I bet he will not.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 20:59:50 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 20:57, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 11:22:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lik57jFrqd7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 15:28, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say. >>> And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    I understand that it does exist - somebody compiled it.
    Was it pothead?

    This will just lead to another Carroll tantrum... he and Sandman used to make such lists but now he denies it. Like he denies so much else from 2004 or so.

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but
    I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.

    Talk to HIM about it - talk to 'pothead'!

    If he offers specific examples I will listen -- if I read the post. I do not read all of his.

    See if he offers to apologize for his nonstop attacks. I bet he will not.

    OK - I'll wait and see.

    Are the shelves now up in your shed?
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Charlie Glock@"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 21:46:38 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-08-20, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 20/08/2024 15:28, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-(

    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say. >> And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour?

    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    I understand that it does exist - somebody compiled it.
    Was it pothead?

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but
    I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.

    Talk to HIM about it - talk to 'pothead'!

    Of course snit didn't write that list. WTF is he on to comment like that?

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe.
    --
    Charlie Glock
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
    - Thomas Jefferson 1776
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 22:57:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe.

    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?


    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 23:26:59 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 20, 2024 at 12:59:50 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <likatmFs5s2U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 20:57, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 11:22:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lik57jFrqd7U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 15:28, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 7:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lijmmtFphq7U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 14:51, Snit wrote:
    [....]
    Anyone but snit in fact.
    Snit's idea of malware is wearing blue high heel pumps with a red clutch.

    Snit won't like me saying so .....

    But you, Pothead, do make me laugh! 🤣

    His trolling and lying can be funny... but I wish he would be a decent person
    (and funny). Same with Carroll. They use put downs and attacks to try to hide
    the fact they are not able to back their views.


    He probably isn't as bad as you make out.

    Read his last 100 posts. I bet 90 of then are nothing but trolling attacks.

    He seems to know about computers and has not been unkind to me.

    Take me up on my challenge. Even just spot check.

    No need. I'm well aware that he has nothing good to say about you. :-( >>>>
    It is not just nothing good about me... he rarely has anything else to say.
    And, of course, no evidence of his claims.

    Have you ever apologised to him for your past bad behaviour? >>>>>>>>>
    Might be worth a try! :-)

    What behavior?

    Your *BAD* behaviour!

    Please specify.

    NO! You tell /me/ what it was you did which was 'out of order'.

    You obviously did things to have that 'Snit List" drawn up!

    (I've never delved into that!)

    I did not create such a list.

    I understand that it does exist - somebody compiled it.
    Was it pothead?

    This will just lead to another Carroll tantrum... he and Sandman used to make
    such lists but now he denies it. Like he denies so much else from 2004 or so.

    You said I should apologize for past bad behavior. I am open to doing so, but
    I cannot apologize for something you cannot specify.

    Talk to HIM about it - talk to 'pothead'!

    If he offers specific examples I will listen -- if I read the post. I do not >> read all of his.

    See if he offers to apologize for his nonstop attacks. I bet he will not.

    OK - I'll wait and see.

    I really do hope he proves me wrong.

    Are the shelves now up in your shed?

    Ended up getting bins that made it work better... it is pretty stuffed.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Aug 20 23:52:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for >> eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe.

    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 08:42:28 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for >>> eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe.

    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 10:40:38 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See:  https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m


    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 10:57:50 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 10:40, T i m wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See:  https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    That is 100% correct! 🙂
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 11:07:18 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 10:57, David Brooks wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 10:40, T i m wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See:  https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    That is 100% correct! 🙂

    I know.

    Cheers, T i m
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 16:00:36 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:42:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lilk34F3tpfU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for >>>> eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe. >>>
    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    It should work on Ventura:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102664

    But not on Intel. This is what Apple suggests if it does not work:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102773
    -----
    1) Back up or transfer your files
    2) Sign out of iTunes
    3) Sign out of iCloud
    4) Sign out of iMessage
    5) Unpair Bluetooth devices (optional)
    6) Erase your Mac
    * Shut down your Mac.
    * Start up from macOS Recovery, then use Disk Utility to erase your
    Mac. For details, follow the steps to use Disk Utility to erase
    your Mac.
    When done, quit Disk Utility but don't restart your Mac.
    ------

    They give details for what I numbered 1-5 at the link.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 19:17:16 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:42:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lilk34F3tpfU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for
    eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe. >>>>
    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    It should work on Ventura:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102664

    But not on Intel. This is what Apple suggests if it does not work:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102773
    -----
    1) Back up or transfer your files
    2) Sign out of iTunes
    3) Sign out of iCloud
    4) Sign out of iMessage
    5) Unpair Bluetooth devices (optional)
    6) Erase your Mac
    * Shut down your Mac.
    * Start up from macOS Recovery, then use Disk Utility to erase your
    Mac. For details, follow the steps to use Disk Utility to erase
    your Mac.
    When done, quit Disk Utility but don't restart your Mac.
    ------

    They give details for what I numbered 1-5 at the link.

    Thank you, Snit!

    Whenever I have followed this procedure (many times whilst
    experimenting!) I have NOT signed out of iCloud or iMessage beforehand.

    How might my failure to do so have impeded a satisfactory erasure.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 19:20:21 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 21, 2024 at 11:17:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <limp9cF9clbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:42:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lilk34F3tpfU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for
    eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe. >>>>>
    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    It should work on Ventura:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102664

    But not on Intel. This is what Apple suggests if it does not work:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102773
    -----
    1) Back up or transfer your files
    2) Sign out of iTunes
    3) Sign out of iCloud
    4) Sign out of iMessage
    5) Unpair Bluetooth devices (optional)
    6) Erase your Mac
    * Shut down your Mac.
    * Start up from macOS Recovery, then use Disk Utility to erase your
    Mac. For details, follow the steps to use Disk Utility to erase
    your Mac.
    When done, quit Disk Utility but don't restart your Mac.
    ------

    They give details for what I numbered 1-5 at the link.

    Thank you, Snit!

    Of course. I wish there was more discussion of tech in here. Happy to help.

    Whenever I have followed this procedure (many times whilst
    experimenting!) I have NOT signed out of iCloud or iMessage beforehand.

    You do not need to, but it makes things easier down the road. You can only
    have so many machines tied to the account at a time (I think).

    How might my failure to do so have impeded a satisfactory erasure.

    It would be erased but Apple would think those devices were still on the
    system and it might lead to confusion or a limit.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 19:26:53 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I have pointed him to the steps.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 20:45:44 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 20:20, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 11:17:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <limp9cF9clbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:42:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lilk34F3tpfU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for
    eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe. >>>>>>
    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    It should work on Ventura:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102664

    But not on Intel. This is what Apple suggests if it does not work:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102773
    -----
    1) Back up or transfer your files
    2) Sign out of iTunes
    3) Sign out of iCloud
    4) Sign out of iMessage
    5) Unpair Bluetooth devices (optional)
    6) Erase your Mac
    * Shut down your Mac.
    * Start up from macOS Recovery, then use Disk Utility to erase your >>> Mac. For details, follow the steps to use Disk Utility to erase
    your Mac.
    When done, quit Disk Utility but don't restart your Mac.
    ------

    They give details for what I numbered 1-5 at the link.

    Thank you, Snit!

    Of course. I wish there was more discussion of tech in here. Happy to help.

    Whenever I have followed this procedure (many times whilst
    experimenting!) I have NOT signed out of iCloud or iMessage beforehand.

    You do not need to, but it makes things easier down the road. You can only have so many machines tied to the account at a time (I think).

    How might my failure to do so have impeded a satisfactory erasure.

    It would be erased but Apple would think those devices were still on the system and it might lead to confusion or a limit.


    Understood. Many thanks. 🙂

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Wed Aug 21 20:21:47 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:45:44 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <limuf8F9clbU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:20, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 11:17:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <limp9cF9clbU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 17:00, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 12:42:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lilk34F3tpfU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 00:52, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 20, 2024 at 2:57:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <likhpjFt08kU8@mid.individual.net>:

    On 20/08/2024 22:46, Charlie Glock wrote:

    Anyway, getting back to your question, the only reasonably sure method for
    eliminating nasty stuff
    that might be left on an hdisk is to perform something like a DOD wipe.

    Thank you.

    How can one do that on an Apple Mac?

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    It should work on Ventura:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102664

    But not on Intel. This is what Apple suggests if it does not work:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102773
    -----
    1) Back up or transfer your files
    2) Sign out of iTunes
    3) Sign out of iCloud
    4) Sign out of iMessage
    5) Unpair Bluetooth devices (optional)
    6) Erase your Mac
    * Shut down your Mac.
    * Start up from macOS Recovery, then use Disk Utility to erase your >>>> Mac. For details, follow the steps to use Disk Utility to erase >>>> your Mac.
    When done, quit Disk Utility but don't restart your Mac.
    ------

    They give details for what I numbered 1-5 at the link.

    Thank you, Snit!

    Of course. I wish there was more discussion of tech in here. Happy to help. >>>
    Whenever I have followed this procedure (many times whilst
    experimenting!) I have NOT signed out of iCloud or iMessage beforehand.

    You do not need to, but it makes things easier down the road. You can only >> have so many machines tied to the account at a time (I think).

    How might my failure to do so have impeded a satisfactory erasure.

    It would be erased but Apple would think those devices were still on the
    system and it might lead to confusion or a limit.


    Understood. Many thanks. 🙂

    My pleasure.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Wed Aug 21 23:54:54 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/ questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 01:03:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 13:47:06 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 14:06:11 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 19/08/2024 16:47, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 2:47:23 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote <v9v4bd$2qpr2$1@dont-email.me>:

    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that
    reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware? >>
    You should remember that the procedure is "wipe and reinstall" not just
    "reinstall" when malware is the problem.

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh27903/mac

    But also keep in mind the need for this with macOS is very rare.

    Ha! I'm a past master at doing it, Snit! I love to experiment, simply to
    find out answers. 🙂

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the ASC
    forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software which
    has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their
    macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the unapproved software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?
    --
    Kind regards,
    David


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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 13:54:41 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 6:06:11 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liore3Fik0sU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:47, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 2:47:23 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
    <v9v4bd$2qpr2$1@dont-email.me>:

    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that
    reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    You should remember that the procedure is "wipe and reinstall" not just
    "reinstall" when malware is the problem.

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh27903/mac

    But also keep in mind the need for this with macOS is very rare.

    Ha! I'm a past master at doing it, Snit! I love to experiment, simply to
    find out answers. 🙂

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the ASC forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software which
    has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Then if it was known bad software the person making the recommendation would lose their account and others would warn that person. Hopefully not too late. OK.

    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    If they had been told to download something bad that would not likely be the advice.

    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the unapproved software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Unbelievably unlikely to the point of not being even the slightest bit of a concern.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 13:59:13 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums? >>
    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and >> imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not possible.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 15:41:23 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums? >>>
    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and >>> imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is >>> deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site. You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been written so very clearly. <sigh>



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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 15:47:05 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 14:54, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 6:06:11 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liore3Fik0sU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:47, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 2:47:23 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
    <v9v4bd$2qpr2$1@dont-email.me>:

    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that >>>>> reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    You should remember that the procedure is "wipe and reinstall" not just >>>> "reinstall" when malware is the problem.

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh27903/mac

    But also keep in mind the need for this with macOS is very rare.

    Ha! I'm a past master at doing it, Snit! I love to experiment, simply to
    find out answers. 🙂

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the ASC
    forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software which
    has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Then if it was known bad software the person making the recommendation would lose their account and others would warn that person. Hopefully not too late. OK.

    No - NOT an OK answer.

    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their
    macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    If they had been told to download something bad that would not likely be the advice.

    The downloder wouldn't know it was something bad.

    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the unapproved
    software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Unbelievably unlikely to the point of not being even the slightest bit of a concern.

    It is of concern - *TO ME*!

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 16:47:34 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:47:05 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lip1b9Fjk9uU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:54, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 6:06:11 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liore3Fik0sU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 19/08/2024 16:47, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 19, 2024 at 2:47:23 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
    <v9v4bd$2qpr2$1@dont-email.me>:

    David Brooks used his keyboard to write :
    On 18/08/2024 22:06, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 18/08/2024 21:17, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-08-18, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    That article is from 7 years ago.

    So? Why does that matter?

    Because technology changes rapidly.

    This part of macOS has NOT changed at all. How many folk realise that >>>>>> reinstalling the macOS will NOT eradicate any previously installed malware?

    You should remember that the procedure is "wipe and reinstall" not just >>>>> "reinstall" when malware is the problem.

    https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh27903/mac

    But also keep in mind the need for this with macOS is very rare.

    Ha! I'm a past master at doing it, Snit! I love to experiment, simply to >>> find out answers. 🙂

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the ASC
    forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software which
    has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Then if it was known bad software the person making the recommendation would >> lose their account and others would warn that person. Hopefully not too late.
    OK.

    No - NOT an OK answer.

    It is the likely answer and one that would likely satisfy most people.


    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their
    macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    If they had been told to download something bad that would not likely be the >> advice.

    The downloder wouldn't know it was something bad.

    See above. If they were invited to download something bad then folks in the group would not appreciate it, the person would be kicked from the forums, and instructions on how to deal with the issue would be given to the victims.


    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the unapproved
    software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Unbelievably unlikely to the point of not being even the slightest bit of a >> concern.

    It is of concern - *TO ME*!

    Do you have plans on how to handle these concerns which are not based on anything other than EXTREMELY unlikely scenarios?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 16:49:53 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums? >>>>
    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and >>>> imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is >>>> deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you >> go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing >> wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about >> Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site. >> You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing >> your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have expressed there?

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not
    possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do not mean that, do you?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 18:16:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is >>>>> deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing >>> wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about >>> Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site. >>> You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not >>> possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been
    written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 17:17:57 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:37 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lipa3lFkrm3U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once >>>>>>>> the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is >>>>>> deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing >>>> wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about
    Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have >> expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    What was it about?


    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not >>>> possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been >>> written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do >> not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW

    What Message ID?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 18:24:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 14:06, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the ASC forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software which
    has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the unapproved software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download bad
    stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    Cheers, T i m
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 19:52:47 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 18:17, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:37 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lipa3lFkrm3U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and >>>>>>>>> programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper, >>>>>>>>> and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/
    questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing
    wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about
    Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have
    expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    What was it about?

    Are you kidding me Snit?

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not >>>>> possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been >>>> written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do
    not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW

    What Message ID?

    <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>

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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 19:56:50 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 18:24, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 14:06, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    Just for a moment suppose ..... that some naive Mac user visits the
    ASC forums and asks for advice.

    Just suppose that they are 'invited' to download and run software
    which has not been vetted by the Apple App Store.

    Just suppose that it is later suggested that they then re-install their
    macOS, which they proceed to do (without first erasing their hard drive)

    Everything should then simply 'work' - and it will!

    What about malicious code installed at the time as using the
    unapproved software? THAT is left untouched on the machine - a hidden
    backdoor.

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could use
    the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    A coincidence I'm sure.
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 22:03:38 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download
    bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could use
    the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    Cheers, T i m
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Aug 22 22:16:40 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download
    bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could use
    the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    WTF??? He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Thu Aug 22 23:18:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 22, 2024 at 11:52:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lipfnvFlomcU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 18:17, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:37 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lipa3lFkrm3U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/ >>>>>>>>>> questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing
    wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about
    Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have
    expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    What was it about?

    Are you kidding me Snit?

    I do not keep track of your questions. They are usually about some product.

    You had a recent question about resetting a computer. Is that what you mean? I do not know if you had others.


    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not
    possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been >>>>> written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do
    not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW

    What Message ID?

    <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>

    I do not see an issue with asking how to reset a Mac... though the answer was already on the Apple database.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Aug 23 09:21:49 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download
    bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could
    use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Cheers, T i m

    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 09:29:52 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 00:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 11:52:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lipfnvFlomcU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 18:17, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:37 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lipa3lFkrm3U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove >>>>>>>>>>> programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing
    wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about
    Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have
    expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    What was it about?

    Are you kidding me Snit?

    I do not keep track of your questions. They are usually about some product.

    You had a recent question about resetting a computer. Is that what you mean? I
    do not know if you had others.

    This Message-ID: <lieo8nF2lssU3@mid.individual.net> laid out the
    question almost exactly as I'd posted it on the ASC forums.

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not
    possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been >>>>>> written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do
    not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW

    What Message ID?

    <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>

    I do not see an issue with asking how to reset a Mac... though the answer was already on the Apple database.

    So what WAS "inappropriate" about my question, repeated here:-

    Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
    From: David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org>
    Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system
    Subject: What does "Reinstall macOS" do, exactly?
    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 18:10:47 +0100
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    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?
    --
    HTH
    David


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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Aug 23 09:32:18 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 09:21, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to download >>>>> bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline, hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could
    use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Yes, of course! 🙂

    He wasn't being serious when he said that, numpty!
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Aug 23 09:53:46 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 09:32, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:21, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to
    download bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline,
    hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site.

    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could
    use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Yes, of course! 🙂

    Bizarre.

    He wasn't being serious when he said that, numpty!

    You really don't get any of it do you?

    The whole engraver thing has been repeatedly used against Snit by the
    usual culprits and you think playing along with them against your
    'friend' is good for your 'friend'?

    You really are either thick or don't care about anyone, including your friends?

    Cheers, T i m



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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Aug 23 11:38:05 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 09:53, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:32, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:21, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to
    download bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline,
    hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site. >>>>>>
    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE could >>>>>> use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing.

    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Yes, of course! 🙂

    Bizarre.

    He wasn't being serious when he said that, numpty!

    You really don't get any of it do you?

    The whole engraver thing has been repeatedly used against Snit by the
    usual culprits and you think playing along with them against your
    'friend' is good for your 'friend'?

    You really are either thick or don't care about anyone, including your friends?

    Do YOU see red?

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I don't think Snit will! 🙂


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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Aug 23 12:27:34 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 11:38, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:53, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:32, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:21, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to
    download bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline,
    hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site. >>>>>>>
    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE
    could use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing. >>>>>
    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Yes, of course! 🙂

    Bizarre.

    He wasn't being serious when he said that, numpty!

    You really don't get any of it do you?

    The whole engraver thing has been repeatedly used against Snit by the
    usual culprits and you think playing along with them against your
    'friend' is good for your 'friend'?

    You really are either thick or don't care about anyone, including your
    friends?

    Do YOU see red?

    Am I colour blind? No.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Second hit on the link you sent:

    https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/thread/687438

    People outing you for being you.

    I don't think Snit will! 🙂

    So, WTF has your reply go to do with anything I said?

    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Cheers, T i m
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 12:36:42 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 09:29, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    If you had any idea how an OS / filesystem / preferences work you could
    answer it for yourself.

    If you owned a computer and were doing something like re-installing the
    OS for a specific reason then found an online forum and posted to it
    asking such a question, you would sound like a vegetarian asking if cauliflower is vegan.

    So you have a computer, have reinstalled the OS and found it doesn't
    delete your personal files and are asking why it didn't also delete
    something you believe to be malware?

    Cheers, T i m


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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 12:50:54 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 12:36, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:29, David Brooks wrote:

    <snip>

    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:-
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-
    macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    =

    If you had any idea how an OS / filesystem / preferences work you could answer it for yourself.

    If you owned a computer and were doing something like re-installing the
    OS for a specific reason then found an online forum and posted to it
    asking such a question, you would sound like a vegetarian asking if cauliflower is vegan.

    So you have a computer, have reinstalled the OS and found it doesn't
    delete your personal files and are asking why it didn't also delete something you believe to be malware?

    =

    Please confirm that that is the exact reply you would have posted in
    response to the person who originally asked the question.

    This fellow:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/users/229525/brendon-ai

    Is that right?

    --
    David

    By the way, the original question may be found here:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 13:21:28 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 12:50, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    If you had any idea how an OS / filesystem / preferences work you
    could answer it for yourself.

    If you owned a computer and were doing something like re-installing
    the OS for a specific reason then found an online forum and posted to
    it asking such a question, you would sound like a vegetarian asking if
    cauliflower is vegan.

    So you have a computer, have reinstalled the OS and found it doesn't
    delete your personal files and are asking why it didn't also delete
    something you believe to be malware?

    =

    Please confirm that that is the exact reply you would have posted in response to the person who originally asked the question.

    No, I wouldn't have included the 'honest' (as you would call them) bits
    in my first reply but I would after reading their reply to people who
    had tried to answer ther question honestly and accurately:

    "No, it doesn't install the system that came with the Mac when it was
    new. This is a 2010 iMac with Sierra installed, but it came with Snow
    Leopard. I reinstalled Sierra. –
    brendon-ai
    Commented Mar 19, 2017 at 13:32"

    Can you see why that reply is that of a stupid twat or troll (or
    possibly just on the spectrum)?

    Was it you perchance as it very much fits your MO and false sense of entitlement?

    Cheers, T i m

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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 13:47:12 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 13:21, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:50, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    If you had any idea how an OS / filesystem / preferences work you
    could answer it for yourself.

    If you owned a computer and were doing something like re-installing
    the OS for a specific reason then found an online forum and posted to
    it asking such a question, you would sound like a vegetarian asking
    if cauliflower is vegan.

    So you have a computer, have reinstalled the OS and found it doesn't
    delete your personal files and are asking why it didn't also delete
    something you believe to be malware?

    =

    Please confirm that that is the exact reply you would have posted in
    response to the person who originally asked the question.

    No,

    Thanks.

    I wouldn't have included the 'honest' (as you would call them) bits
    in my first reply but I would after reading their reply to people who
    had tried to answer ther question honestly and accurately:

    "No, it doesn't install the system that came with the Mac when it was
    new. This is a 2010 iMac with Sierra installed, but it came with Snow Leopard. I reinstalled Sierra. –
    brendon-ai
    Commented Mar 19, 2017 at 13:32"

    Can you see why that reply is that of a stupid twat or troll (or
    possibly just on the spectrum)?

    Was it you perchance as it very much fits your MO and false sense of entitlement?

    No, it wasn't me.

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy - the Apple Mac is a magical place for malware to
    hide if folk can be persuaded to deliberately load and authorise suspect software.
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 15:03:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    Cheers, T i m
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 14:29:44 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:29:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liqvk0FsidqU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 00:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 11:52:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lipfnvFlomcU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 18:17, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 10:16:37 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lipa3lFkrm3U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 17:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:41:23 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lip10jFjk9uU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 22, 2024 at 5:47:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lioqaaFik0sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/08/2024 02:03, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 3:54:54 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lin9huFb5gfU6@mid.individual.net>:

    On 18/08/2024 18:10, David Brooks wrote:
    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to >>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on >>>>>>>>>>>> "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and
    programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)// >>>>>>>>>>>>
    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?


    What was wrong/inappropriate with asking this question on the ASC forums?

    This has been covered. You repeatedly ask both products and developers and
    imply they are doing improper things with little or no evidence. This is
    deemed inappropriate.

    What - in detail - was "inappropriate" in my question?

    I do not recall all the details -- but we have talked about this before: you
    go there asking about apps / developers and suggesting they might be doing
    wrong when there is absolutely no evidence they are. This is not even about
    Apple software but third party software which is not relevant for the site.
    You do this over and over even when asked by them not to. Other than killing
    your account how could they have gotten you to stop?

    I'm talking about the question posed THIS WEEK!

    Was it a part of a pattern of exaggerated and inappropriate concern you have
    expressed there?

    Absolutely not.

    What was it about?

    Are you kidding me Snit?

    I do not keep track of your questions. They are usually about some product. >>
    You had a recent question about resetting a computer. Is that what you mean? I
    do not know if you had others.

    This Message-ID: <lieo8nF2lssU3@mid.individual.net> laid out the
    question almost exactly as I'd posted it on the ASC forums.

    Are there rules in the forums to not ask questions already answered in the Apple public database?

    I'm deadly serious in this quest, Snit.

    Can you identify anything controversial?

    I've asked *WHY* in a new thread in ACW.

    For what conceivable reason was the question removed?

    Not sure what you are asking about being removed... something in ACW? Not
    possible.

    Perhaps someone else will explain if you cannot understand what has been
    written so very clearly. <sigh>

    The question on the Apple forum... you posted the reasons why. Surely you do
    not mean that, do you?

    I posted the same question here in ACW

    What Message ID?

    <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>

    I do not see an issue with asking how to reset a Mac... though the answer was
    already on the Apple database.

    So what WAS "inappropriate" about my question, repeated here:-

    Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-ber lin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail
    From: David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org>
    Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system
    Subject: What does "Reinstall macOS" do, exactly?
    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 18:10:47 +0100
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    Message-ID: <lieo8nF2lssU3@mid.individual.net>
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    X-Trace: individual.net KvwhWXebUseU4vHNdmGDQgh+URowEn328hJw0xsIwZK1itrKNN Cancel-Lock: sha1:q4GbkPsSz1+K+2kFT+jOZLbrVnY= sha256:tiooSsSP+dZwBrbKqRq4Zqx14HQ9HG/TYdygyRTmHAA=
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    //I was recently having some problems with iTunes, and decided to
    reinstall macOS Sierra. I held Command+R on startup and clicked on
    "Reinstall macOS" without erasing the hard drive in Disk Utility. Once
    the reinstall was complete, I started back up and all of my files and programs were still there, along with my settings, desktop wallpaper,
    and everything else. (The iTunes problems were fixed.)//

    What exactly does this "Reinstall" feature do, if it doesn't remove
    programs and change settings to default?//

    Here are answers on-line:- https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/276766/what-does-reinstall-macos-do-exactly

    How would YOU have answered the OP's question?

    You are not just asking a question but pointing to stackexchange. Is that allowed?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 17:15:39 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 16:22:59 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 18:21:28 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.


    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    If you did either, what user name did you use?
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 20:18:03 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then >>>> wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and >>>> given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea >>>> what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 22:53:49 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then >>>>> wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and >>>>> given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea >>>>> what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself? >>>
    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 22:45:58 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then >>>>>> wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and >>>>>> given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea >>>>>> what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself? >>>>
    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 00:13:23 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then >>>>>>> wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and >>>>>>> given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea >>>>>>> what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself? >>>>>
    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise.
    Is the thread still available to you?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    TIA

    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 23:15:34 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then >>>>>>>> wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise.
    Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a >> quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    I can now log in.

    TIA
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 00:29:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise.
    Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a >>> quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though >>> where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Aug 23 23:58:00 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to >>>>>>>>>>> trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much.

    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise.
    Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.


    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though >>>> where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 08:32:19 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble? >>>>>>>>>>>
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise.
    Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though >>>>> where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 07:57:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    No, it wasn't me.

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy

    And you wonder why you constantly get negative reactions to your
    behaviour...? smh

    - the Apple Mac is a magical place for malware to
    hide if folk can be persuaded to deliberately load and authorise suspect software.

    There's nothing magical about macOS. If you've fallen victim to a phishing scam, there's nothing the OS can do.

    Having said that, none of the "suspect software" you claim is dodgy matches that description.

    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 14:33:59 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24/08/2024 08:57, Chris wrote:
    David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    No, it wasn't me.

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy

    And you wonder why you constantly get negative reactions to your behaviour...? smh

    No need to shake your head, dear boy!

    It's an art form! ;-)

    - the Apple Mac is a magical place for malware to
    hide if folk can be persuaded to deliberately load and authorise suspect
    software.

    There's nothing magical about macOS. If you've fallen victim to a phishing scam, there's nothing the OS can do.

    As far as I'm aware, I've NEVER fallen for a phishing scam.

    Having said that, none of the "suspect software" you claim is dodgy matches that description.

    That's good to know!

    *HOW* have YOU verified EtreCheck?

    Can you see the same thing as me, here?

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    IN RED - *PERMANENTLY CLOSED*
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 15:49:16 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:32:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <litgk3F9ivbU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise. >>>>> Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    I think it used to. Maybe it did. Maybe it only shows fairly recent ones. Who knows?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Why would I ask about them directly telling me the system was being updated? What would the value be? The system was being updated. No mystery. Nothing
    that impacts my life.

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown.

    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    You assume there is all sorts of bad stuff going on. Have you considered checking with a mental health professional what this says about you? Not being snarky... you have the idea you should always check and verify... how have you done so with your own mental health in how it revolves around your focus on developers, apps, and forums?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 16:26:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 24, 2024 at 6:33:59 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liu5q7Fcet6U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 08:57, Chris wrote:
    David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    No, it wasn't me.

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy

    And you wonder why you constantly get negative reactions to your
    behaviour...? smh

    No need to shake your head, dear boy!

    It's an art form! ;-)

    - the Apple Mac is a magical place for malware to
    hide if folk can be persuaded to deliberately load and authorise suspect >>> software.

    There's nothing magical about macOS. If you've fallen victim to a phishing >> scam, there's nothing the OS can do.

    As far as I'm aware, I've NEVER fallen for a phishing scam.

    Having said that, none of the "suspect software" you claim is dodgy matches >> that description.

    That's good to know!

    *HOW* have YOU verified EtreCheck?

    Can you see the same thing as me, here?

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    IN RED - *PERMANENTLY CLOSED*

    And? Is there office required to stay open for your comfort?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 19:39:16 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24/08/2024 16:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:32:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <litgk3F9ivbU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise. >>>>>> Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    I think it used to. Maybe it did. Maybe it only shows fairly recent ones. Who knows?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Why would I ask about them directly telling me the system was being updated? What would the value be? The system was being updated. No mystery. Nothing that impacts my life.

    I have NEVER encountered ASC forum updates. I've never heard any mention
    of them. Asking on the ASC forums if anyone else has noticed this is a
    great way to find out if you a someone really special!

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown. >>>>>
    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    You assume there is all sorts of bad stuff going on. Have you considered checking with a mental health professional what this says about you? Not being
    snarky... you have the idea you should always check and verify... how have you
    done so with your own mental health in how it revolves around your focus on developers, apps, and forums?

    My mental health is just fine. 🙂
    I've explained my session with Ady Cole
    in the 'Testimonials here:-
    https://www.mindandperformance.com/adrian-cole

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 19:02:02 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:39:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liunmkFfa11U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 16:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:32:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <litgk3F9ivbU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise. >>>>>>> Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    I think it used to. Maybe it did. Maybe it only shows fairly recent ones. Who
    knows?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>>>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA.

    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Why would I ask about them directly telling me the system was being updated? >> What would the value be? The system was being updated. No mystery. Nothing >> that impacts my life.

    I have NEVER encountered ASC forum updates. I've never heard any mention
    of them.

    It would be sorta weird if people had that as a focus.

    Asking on the ASC forums if anyone else has noticed this is a
    great way to find out if you a someone really special!

    Nothing special about them having an update.


    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown. >>>>>>
    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    You assume there is all sorts of bad stuff going on. Have you considered
    checking with a mental health professional what this says about you? Not being
    snarky... you have the idea you should always check and verify... how have you
    done so with your own mental health in how it revolves around your focus on >> developers, apps, and forums?

    My mental health is just fine. 🙂

    Don't assume, check!

    I've explained my session with Ady Cole
    in the 'Testimonials here:-
    https://www.mindandperformance.com/adrian-cole

    That is well written and a good story. Thanks for sharing.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 21:43:03 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24/08/2024 20:02, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:39:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liunmkFfa11U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 16:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:32:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <litgk3F9ivbU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise. >>>>>>>> Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    I think it used to. Maybe it did. Maybe it only shows fairly recent ones. Who
    knows?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums?

    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users >>>>>>>>>> each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA. >>>>>>>>>
    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Why would I ask about them directly telling me the system was being updated?
    What would the value be? The system was being updated. No mystery. Nothing >>> that impacts my life.

    I have NEVER encountered ASC forum updates. I've never heard any mention
    of them.

    It would be sorta weird if people had that as a focus.

    Have YOU ever seen that 'update' before?

    Asking on the ASC forums if anyone else has noticed this is a
    great way to find out if you a someone really special!

    Nothing special about them having an update.

    I think there is!

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown. >>>>>>>
    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    You assume there is all sorts of bad stuff going on. Have you considered >>> checking with a mental health professional what this says about you? Not being
    snarky... you have the idea you should always check and verify... how have you
    done so with your own mental health in how it revolves around your focus on >>> developers, apps, and forums?

    My mental health is just fine. 🙂

    Don't assume, check!

    You're learning! ;-)

    I've explained my session with Ady Cole
    in the 'Testimonials here:-
    https://www.mindandperformance.com/adrian-cole

    That is well written and a good story. Thanks for sharing.

    True stories are always the best. But thanks. 🙂


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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Aug 24 22:05:10 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <liuuunFgbtcU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 20:02, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:39:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liunmkFfa11U1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 16:49, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:32:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <litgk3F9ivbU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:58, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:29:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <liska3F5itgU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On 24/08/2024 00:15, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:13:23 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisjcjF5jdqU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 23:45, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 2:53:49 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lisendF4s4sU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 21:18, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:21:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <liruooF1vc0U5@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 17:22, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:15:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lirqtbF1vc0U2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 23/08/2024 15:03, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 13:47, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    I found it by chance when looking for a suitable 'test' question to
    trigger controversy -

    So let me get this straight. You are intentionally making trouble then
    wasting time asking us why you are being banned for making trouble?

    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and
    given the sort of people we have here now, that must give you some idea
    what I think of you.

    I really do wish you'd pay attention. <sigh>

    Have you got the balls (?) to ask a question on the ASC forums yourself?

    It is not about "balls" it is about desire and being appropriate.

    When did YOU last post a question on the ASC forums?

    None other than what I have told you. I do not use the forum much. >>>>>>>>>>>
    I don't recall you ever telling me. Sorry.

    I have posted at your request. LOL!

    Hmmm. Perhaps you once did. I've forgotten the details. I apologise. >>>>>>>>> Is the thread still available to you?

    I use the name Snit. Here is my profile:

    https://discussions.apple.com/profile/Snit/participation

    Thank you! 🙂

    I cannot, however, find any post by you. :-(

    I thought it listed past posts. Nope. Sorry.

    It SHOULD show past posts!

    I think it used to. Maybe it did. Maybe it only shows fairly recent ones. Who
    knows?

    When did you last ANSWER a question on the ASC forums? >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Do not recall.

    With your fount of knowledge, you could be helping naive Apple users
    each and every day!

    I have looked there before... but never really anything I saw that needed a
    quick answer that was not being given. If you see a question there though
    where I might be of help by all means point me to it.

    OK - I will do that very thing! 🙂

    Thanks. That I am open to.

    :-D

    If you did either, what user name did you use?

    Would have to check but probably Brock McNuggets.

    How difficult would that be for you to check?

    I'd be most grateful if you'd do that and let me know. TIA. >>>>>>>>>>
    Went to sign in and it says they are doing updates.

    In 15 years of use I have NEVER seen that!

    Curious. I saw it a few minutes ago.

    Odd.

    It is gone now.

    Did anyone ELSE see that happen?

    THAT is a question you could ask on the ASC forums!

    Why would I ask about them directly telling me the system was being updated?
    What would the value be? The system was being updated. No mystery. Nothing >>>> that impacts my life.

    I have NEVER encountered ASC forum updates. I've never heard any mention >>> of them.

    It would be sorta weird if people had that as a focus.

    Have YOU ever seen that 'update' before?

    I barely use the forums. I have not seen it but do not find it in any way odd or particularly interesting.

    Asking on the ASC forums if anyone else has noticed this is a
    great way to find out if you a someone really special!

    Nothing special about them having an update.

    I think there is!

    OK.

    Please take and post a screenshot of what you are being told/shown. >>>>>>>>
    I can now log in.

    Curiouser and curiouser!

    A short update. No harm.

    You ASSUME that, you don't know for sure!

    You assume there is all sorts of bad stuff going on. Have you considered >>>> checking with a mental health professional what this says about you? Not being
    snarky... you have the idea you should always check and verify... how have you
    done so with your own mental health in how it revolves around your focus on
    developers, apps, and forums?

    My mental health is just fine. 🙂

    Don't assume, check!

    You're learning! ;-)

    LOL!

    I've explained my session with Ady Cole
    in the 'Testimonials here:-
    https://www.mindandperformance.com/adrian-cole

    That is well written and a good story. Thanks for sharing.

    True stories are always the best. But thanks. 🙂

    I did not mean to imply it was not a true story. Sorry if it came across that way. I meant a well written account of events in your life.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Tue Aug 27 15:52:12 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-08-23 10:03, T i m wrote:
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and

    Astounds me that anyone answers it.
    --
    "It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
    the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
    Winston Churchill

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  • From David Brooks@BDB@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Tue Aug 27 21:04:46 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 27/08/2024 20:52, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-08-23 10:03, T i m wrote:
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and

    Astounds me that anyone answers it.

    And YOU appear to *PAY* for access here!

    https://accounts.usenetserver.com/register/chooseplan?rate=74

    Dopey or what?!!!
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system on Tue Aug 27 21:37:13 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 27/08/2024 20:52, Alan Browne wrote:
    On 2024-08-23 10:03, T i m wrote:
    I think you might be the very first person to appear in my killfile and

    Astounds me that anyone answers it.

    I'm pretty sure he has 'issues' and some offer him some 'care in the community' but he doesn't seem to appreciate or benefit from it.

    He has admitted to being instilled with a sense of entitlement and that
    is also part of his issue.

    He gets himself banned from most places he pollutes and because he can't
    learn from his mistakes (because he doesn't see / accept them as such),
    simply carries on doing the same old same old.

    I've had enough of it / him but then I've never suffered fools (or
    trolls, something else he has admitted to being) gladly.

    Cheers, T i m
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 08:33:30 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    (It raining here. :-( )
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 08:33:57 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 21/08/2024 11:07, T i m wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 10:57, David Brooks wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 10:40, T i m wrote:
    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See:  https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required
    'Apple silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be
    available?

    That is 100% correct! 🙂

    I know.

    I wasn't doubting you!
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 15:30:25 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I >> have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you have a good day.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 17:10:55 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple >>>> silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available? >>>>
    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I >>> have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂


    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 16:20:48 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png >>>>>
    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple >>>>> silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available? >>>>>
    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 12:19:55 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png >>>>>>
    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple >>>>>> silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available? >>>>>>
    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well... really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 21:02:13 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png >>>>>>>
    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple >>>>>>> silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available? >>>>>>>
    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 14:33:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png >>>>>>>>
    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple >>>>>>>> silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to >>>> start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to >>>> our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well... >>> really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 22:17:11 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png >>>>>>>>>
    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to >>>>> start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion >>>>> for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to >>>>> our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well... >>>> really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 15:38:09 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset

    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to >>>>>> start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion >>>>>> for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to >>>>>> our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well... >>>>> really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 23:12:40 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to >>>>>>> start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach.

    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion >>>>>>> for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to >>>>>>> our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well... >>>>>> really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry >> some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 16:59:13 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-(

    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion >>>>>>>> for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry >>> some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Sep 23 02:00:36 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>>>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion >>>>>>>>> for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious ‘what’s in the box’ situations!
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 19:02:26 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote
    <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to >>>>>>>>>> enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious ‘what’s in the box’ situations!

    you wanna be the john wayne guy
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Sep 23 02:44:25 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 7:02:26 PM MST, "%" wrote <xeidneUYgdGvUW37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious
    ‘what’s in the box’ situations!

    you wanna be the john wayne guy

    He was a wimp!
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sun Sep 22 20:01:29 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 7:02:26 PM MST, "%" wrote <xeidneUYgdGvUW37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture

    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious >>> ‘what’s in the box’ situations!

    you wanna be the john wayne guy

    He was a wimp!

    well who do you wanna be will greer
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Sep 23 04:13:51 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sep 22, 2024 at 8:01:29 PM MST, "%" wrote <c2idnZH3AYWUR237nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 7:02:26 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <xeidneUYgdGvUW37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture >>>>>>>>>>
    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious >>>> ‘what’s in the box’ situations!

    you wanna be the john wayne guy

    He was a wimp!

    well who do you wanna be will greer

    Will Not Greer.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From pursent100@pursent100@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Mon Sep 23 08:01:08 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 8:01:29 PM MST, "%" wrote <c2idnZH3AYWUR237nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 7:02:26 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <xeidneUYgdGvUW37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 4:59:13 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <PvidnfmNLovMMm37nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 3:38:09 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <yxWdnSx4dJfPAW37nZ2dnZfqnPEAAAAA@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 2:33:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <ijmdnSyh75S0EG37nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:19:55 PM MST, "%" wrote
    <IDCdnWCkCb9G8G37nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 9:10:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> <llatsfF88daU2@mid.individual.net>:

    On 22/09/2024 16:30, Snit wrote:
    On Sep 22, 2024 at 12:33:30 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ll9viaF3uakU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 21/08/2024 20:26, Snit wrote:
    On Aug 21, 2024 at 2:40:38 AM MST, "T i m" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <va4cmn$3qgnl$2@dont-email.me>:

    On 21/08/2024 08:42, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Apple > System Settings > General > Transfer or Reset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You will see the option to "Erase all Content and Settings..."

    Sadly, not on THIS iMac running macOS Ventura. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    See: https://i.ibb.co/nDgWy3j/Screenshot-2024-08-21-at-08-40-07.png

    Looks like your Mac is Intel based so doesn't have the required 'Apple
    silicon' or a T2 Security Chip needed for that feature to be available?

    Cheers, T i m

    You are correct. The process is a bit more involved for Intel Macs... but I
    have pointed him to the steps.

    Where and when did you do that, please?

    I did it the day I said that... a few minutes before. I think this is the link
    I shared:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/102639

    That's it! (I stumbled across it later!). Thanks.

    My pleasure.

    Personally, I think using Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R to
    start up from *Recovery over the Internet* is a better approach. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I think that makes sense, and I have done that.

    (It raining here. :-( )

    For me that might be a good thing... but it does not rain often here. Hope you
    have a good day.

    It's been good, thanks. My daughter and her family have been over to
    enjoy a Sunday roast with us here at home. This is the first occasion
    for more than a year because, as you know, we had flood/water damage to
    our house in August 2023. All went well! 🙂

    Excellent to hear. Truly. I have been doing a lot on my place as well...
    really coming together.

    not me , i like the dirt floors and the car seat furniture >>>>>>>>>>>
    I like dirt furniture and car seat floors.

    as long as i can plug in somewhere and post i'm good

    I don't need much. A vehicle that can reliably get me from A to B and carry
    some stuff... a decent sized house where I can breathe.

    wow , you want a lot

    A lot for the house is important. Sure.

    you could be that seven guy he wanted the deadly sins too

    Seven, huh? I’m not sure if I’m up for being a symbol of sin—I’m more of a
    virtue kind of person. But hey, I’ll keep an eye out for any suspicious >>>>> ‘what’s in the box’ situations!

    you wanna be the john wayne guy

    He was a wimp!

    well who do you wanna be will greer

    Will Not Greer.

    will rogers
    --- Synchronet 3.20a-Linux NewsLink 1.114
  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 3 15:54:17 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 11:38, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:53, T i m wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:32, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 09:21, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:16, David Brooks wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 22:03, T i m wrote:
    On 22/08/2024 19:56, David Brooks wrote:
    <snip>

    Any thoughts on this possible scenario?

    Yes, I actually *know* the answer to this. They got you to
    download bad stuff in the hope it would take you offline,
    hopefully forever.

    It didn't work so thy had to ban you.

    It's what I would have done if I was a user / admin on that site. >>>>>>>>
    You are partly right. I gave the password to Snit so that HE
    could use the Pro version of EtreCheck - which he did.

    Likely breaking the licence rules.

    Absolutely right!

    Shortly afterwards his Apple iMac ceased to function.

    He stopped replying to you you mean, not necessarily the same thing. >>>>>>
    WTF???  He's still posting here in the ACW group!

    A coincidence I'm sure.

    Oh yes, you must be right, shame it killed his Mac <wink>

    The one he was going to fix with an engraving device!

    And you are talking of someone you consider 'a friend' here right'?

    Yes, of course! 🙂

    Bizarre.

    He wasn't being serious when he said that, numpty!

    You really don't get any of it do you?

    The whole engraver thing has been repeatedly used against Snit by the
    usual culprits and you think playing along with them against your
    'friend' is good for your 'friend'?

    You really are either thick or don't care about anyone, including
    your friends?

    Do YOU see red?

    Am I colour blind? No.

    https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Second hit on the link you sent:

    https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/thread/687438

    People outing you for being you.

    I don't think Snit will! 🙂

    So, WTF has your reply go to do with anything I said?

    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Oct 29 23:12:53 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search? client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.
    --
    David
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Tue Oct 29 23:15:27 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 29/10/2024 23:12, David Brooks wrote:
    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.

    Here's the link again:-

    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    Sorry about that.
    --
    David
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 31 00:49:33 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-10-29, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.

    Get fucked, David. Nobody cares about your stalking activities.
    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 31 07:30:35 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 31/10/2024 00:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.

    Get fucked, David. Nobody cares about your stalking activities.

    Ah! So YOU support the use of the non-Apple approved software called EtreCheck?

    Is that right?
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  • From T i m@eternal@spaced.me.uk to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 31 09:57:19 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 31/10/2024 07:30, David Brooks wrote:
    On 31/10/2024 00:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have
    trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.

    Get fucked, David. Nobody cares about your stalking activities.

    Ah! So YOU support the use of the non-Apple approved software called EtreCheck?

    Is that right?

    No, it's not, they are right, we really don't care about your one man
    (?) crusade into harassing innocent people.

    Hardly very 'Christian' is it?

    If there was anything that would actually get you sectioned it's this.

    Leave it and find something more wholesome to do, unless you really
    think that you are the only one to see though to these people as being
    real bad guys? (Think on your actual computer skills before answering).

    Cheers, T i m




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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 31 10:32:33 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 31/10/2024 09:57, T i m wrote:
    On 31/10/2024 07:30, David Brooks wrote:
    On 31/10/2024 00:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2024-10-29, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 03/10/2024 15:54, David Brooks wrote:
    On 23/08/2024 12:27, T i m wrote:
    [....]
    Are you in the state now where you carer has to make sure you have >>>>>> trousers on before you go out?

    Haha! *NO* - but do you see red 'highlighting' here showing that
    Etresoft is closed? https://www.google.com/search?
    client=safari&rls=en&q=etresoft&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    I see the same in both Safari and Firefox.

    Odd.

    I'd appreciate a reply.

    Get fucked, David. Nobody cares about your stalking activities.

    Ah! So YOU support the use of the non-Apple approved software called
    EtreCheck?

    Is that right?

    No, it's not, they are right, we really don't care about your one man
    (?) crusade into harassing innocent people.

    Hardly very 'Christian' is it?

    What makes YOU think that "John Daniel" is "innocent"?

    If there was anything that would actually get you sectioned it's this.

    Leave it and find something more wholesome to do, unless you really
    think that you are the only one to see though to these people as being
    real bad guys? (Think on your actual computer skills before answering).

    I have found no-one yet who has reverse-engineered EtreCheck.

    Folk have *NO CLUE* as to what they are loading onto their computer when
    they use it.
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  • From Mike Easter@MikeE@ster.invalid to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Thu Oct 31 15:38:34 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    BDB wrote:
    I have found no-one yet who has reverse-engineered EtreCheck.

    This combination of statements leads me to believe that BDB doesn't have
    a good grasp of what 'reverse-engineered' means in the context of software.

    Folk have *NO CLUE* as to what they are loading onto their computer
    when they use it.

    This part implies that what BDB thinks he is talking about is something
    along the lines of 'knows *exactly* what E'Chk is doing to do what it
    'does'.

    But that isn't what reverse engineering would mean for s/w. If one were
    going to 'reverse engineer' E'Chk, they would create a software which
    performs the same duties as E'Chk w/o having any access to E'Chk's
    source code.

    This 'type of' mistaken thinking is because BDB has a theory that E'Chk
    is 'nefarious'. What would be helpful to dispel that theory would be if
    BDB or someone who is actually capable of reading the source code had
    access to that.

    JD implies that he would make such source code available to someone, but
    not just with the conventional license he provides.

    This License does not grant you the right to access to the source
    code of the Software. If, in certain circumstances, such access is
    desired by you, you may enter into a separate license with Etresoft.

    The wp article on reverse engineering has an extensive section on what
    the term means in the case of software and distinctly addresses the
    issue of source code as part of the discussion.

    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software
    --
    Mike Easter
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 00:20:04 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    HTH
    --
    David

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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 03:24:21 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
    identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
    limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    HTH
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Chris@ithinkiam@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 07:45:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Of course not. It's his business asset to do as he wishes.

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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 07:53:28 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this: ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
    said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
    is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
    makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
    of software.
    --
    David

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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 08:04:26 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 07:45, Chris wrote:
    David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Of course not. It's his business asset to do as he wishes.


    Do YOU do this, Chris?

    https://robinhorsfall.substack.com/p/the-old-man

    My son does.
    --
    David
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  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 12:40:35 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
    identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it >> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
    limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
    said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
    is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
    of software.

    EtreCheck has been around for a long time and seems to have decent
    reviews and user feedback so if it was doing something nefarious don't you think that it would have been uncovered by some technically inclined person
    by now?
    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 13:52:23 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
    identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it >> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
    limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
    said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
    is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
    of software.

    Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough. What makes you think you have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 14:05:48 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 12:40, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
    identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it >>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
    limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source. >>
    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
    said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
    is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
    makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
    of software.

    EtreCheck has been around for a long time and seems to have decent
    reviews and user feedback so if it was doing something nefarious don't you think that it would have been uncovered by some technically inclined person by now?

    I understand what you say, 'pothead', but I've never found any review
    from anyone who has reverse engineered the product to actually check.

    At this URL, it says that Alan Baker is from Vancouver - https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/profile/alangbaker

    I wonder how HE knows ME!

    Any thoughts on this?
    --
    David
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  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 14:30:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 12:40, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source. >>>
    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>> of software.

    EtreCheck has been around for a long time and seems to have decent
    reviews and user feedback so if it was doing something nefarious don't you >> think that it would have been uncovered by some technically inclined person >> by now?

    I understand what you say, 'pothead', but I've never found any review
    from anyone who has reverse engineered the product to actually check.

    That's my point.
    If something was found, I'm sure it would be all over the net.

    At this URL, it says that Alan Baker is from Vancouver - https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/profile/alangbaker

    I wonder how HE knows ME!

    Any thoughts on this?

    I have no idea who he is.
    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 16:05:21 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 14:30, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 12:40, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>>> of software.

    EtreCheck has been around for a long time and seems to have decent
    reviews and user feedback so if it was doing something nefarious don't you >>> think that it would have been uncovered by some technically inclined person >>> by now?

    I understand what you say, 'pothead', but I've never found any review
    from anyone who has reverse engineered the product to actually check.

    That's my point.
    If something was found, I'm sure it would be all over the net.

    Well, if and when somebody DOES find something I'm sure it *WILL* be
    "all over the net" too!

    At this URL, it says that Alan Baker is from Vancouver -
    https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/profile/alangbaker

    I wonder how HE knows ME!

    Any thoughts on this?

    I have no idea who he is.

    Me neither - but obviously a stalker who popped-up here:- https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/757636

    What do you make of that whole thread?
    --
    David


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  • From pothead@pothead@snakebite.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 19:16:16 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 14:30, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 12:40, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-11-01, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>>>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file >>>>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.// >>>>>
    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>>>> of software.

    EtreCheck has been around for a long time and seems to have decent
    reviews and user feedback so if it was doing something nefarious don't you >>>> think that it would have been uncovered by some technically inclined person
    by now?

    I understand what you say, 'pothead', but I've never found any review
    from anyone who has reverse engineered the product to actually check.

    That's my point.
    If something was found, I'm sure it would be all over the net.

    Well, if and when somebody DOES find something I'm sure it *WILL* be
    "all over the net" too!

    At this URL, it says that Alan Baker is from Vancouver -
    https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/profile/alangbaker

    I wonder how HE knows ME!

    Any thoughts on this?

    I have no idea who he is.

    Me neither - but obviously a stalker who popped-up here:- https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/757636

    What do you make of that whole thread?

    From what I see, they have you labeled as a troll.
    Also that forum looks like a developer forum so it wouldn't be the correct place to address your topic. That is how it works in the Linux world so
    I assume it's the same for Mac.
    Maybe I'm wrong?
    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Fri Nov 1 20:16:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 19:16, pothead wrote:
    [....]
    Maybe I'm wrong?

    Maybe you are! Did you explore here? https://developer.apple.com/forums/

    I'm simply trying to confirm the validity of someone calling themselves,
    a developer, but he can show only a single product to his name.

    Please follow THIS thread:-

    https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/757636

    Thanks.
    --
    David
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sat Nov 2 15:19:28 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
    anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
    might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
    identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it >>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
    limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source. >>
    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
    said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
    is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
    makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
    of software.

    Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.

    Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

    Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
    LinkedIn?
    (That referred to open source' too).

    What makes you think you
    have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?

    I'm a potential paying customer.

    I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
    purposes.
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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sat Nov 2 17:01:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source. >>>
    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>> of software.

    Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.

    Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

    Everyone has.

    Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on LinkedIn?
    (That referred to open source' too).

    Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open source and you have no right to demand he make it so.

    What makes you think you
    have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?

    I'm a potential paying customer.

    Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my personal or professional life.

    So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal or professional life? No dodge this time.

    I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
    purposes.

    If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From David Brooks@David@nomail.afraid.org to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sat Nov 2 18:21:39 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 02/11/2024 17:01, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his >>>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever >>>>>>> he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
    that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//

    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>>> of software.

    Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.

    Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

    Everyone has.

    Yes - YOU more than most it seems!

    Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
    LinkedIn?
    (That referred to open source' too).

    Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open source and you have no right to demand he make it so.

    Are you being deliberately dopey today?

    It *WAS* "open sourse" - NOW, it is not.

    What makes you think you
    have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?

    I'm a potential paying customer.

    Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my personal or professional life.

    What product(s) do YOU sell? You've NEVER mentioned that before!

    So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal
    or professional life? No dodge this time.

    You told me about yours! Why did you do that?

    I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
    personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
    purposes.

    If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.

    He'll not get another penny out of me!

    Now, tell me why he's SHOUTING here:- Message-ID: <lomteqFnhd1U1@mid.individual.net>

    Odd!



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  • From Snit@brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com to alt.computer.workshop,comp.sys.mac.system,uk.comp.sys.mac on Sat Nov 2 19:00:32 2024
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Nov 2, 2024 at 11:21:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote <lon8tjFp4mnU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 02/11/2024 17:01, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
    On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:

    On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
    On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
    <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:

    On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
    If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
    software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent >>>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he >>>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
    he is.

    You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software

    Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank

    Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!

    What makes you think his code is open source?

    Asking ChatGPT I get this:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
    for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users >>>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
    provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with >>>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>
    I'll wager he will not provide it!

    Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.

    From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft" >>>>> said ....

    ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at" >>>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
    Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file >>>>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.// >>>>>
    Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel", >>>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item >>>>> of software.

    Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.

    Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

    Everyone has.

    Yes - YOU more than most it seems!

    The more you push yourself the more mistakes you make. Also the more
    successes. The most successful people make the most mistakes.

    Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
    LinkedIn?
    (That referred to open source' too).

    Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open >> source and you have no right to demand he make it so.

    Are you being deliberately dopey today?

    It *WAS* "open sourse" - NOW, it is not.

    Then the old code still is. You can look at that. But I do not follow the app. Don't really care about it.

    What makes you think you
    have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?

    I'm a potential paying customer.

    Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my
    personal or professional life.

    What product(s) do YOU sell? You've NEVER mentioned that before!

    Why the jump to products? But I have sold videos on DVD and online. And it has been discussed before. Also have sold other products... some crafts I have made, etc.


    So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal
    or professional life? No dodge this time.

    You told me about yours! Why did you do that?

    Personal choice. Not obligation.

    I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
    personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
    purposes.

    If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.

    He'll not get another penny out of me!

    That is fine. You are not obligated to buy his products. Just like my
    customers are not obligated to buy my services.

    Now, tell me why he's SHOUTING here:- Message-ID: <lomteqFnhd1U1@mid.individual.net>

    Odd!

    What makes you see it as odd? I asked ChatGPT:

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    The all-caps format in this type of legal agreement is a traditional approach to emphasize sections that companies want to make especially noticeable, such as liability disclaimers or warranty information. Before digital formatting became standard, all caps was a simple way to ensure certain provisions caught attention without more sophisticated ways to differentiate text. Now, it’s simply carried forward as a convention, especially when it’s important that users see and understand those parts—usually involving limitations on liability, disclaimers, or critical terms. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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