E2E encryption means exactly that.
On 2024-02-20 04:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends, and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - from my use of Google products.
When I browse Amazon for products, my girlfriend sees ads for some of
them on her laptop within 24 hours.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
Sad that you shared your birthday.
I use a fake birthday on all
websites (except where legally required to use my real birth date: government tax sites, bank, driver's license and insurance).
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key
(name, e-mail address, etc.) And as they "fill the blanks" and
correlate and "fingerprint" your behaviour, the blank filling
accelerates and the matrices of data condense making their portrait of
you very accurate.
They can't get everything, but they do get an astonishing amount of
data. Do they use it "maliciously"? Not so much other than to sell the data to those wishing to target you to buy something.
OTOH, if you end up in a legal dispute, you can be sure the adversary
(some corporation) will also purchase that data in order to glean as
much information to buttress their case (whether in defense or offense) against you.
On 2024-02-20 12:02, Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:45:18 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key
(name, e-mail address, etc.)
Indeed, you are correct 'they' do a lot of mining of your personal data.
"From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite 'privacy' company is doing more with your data than you might think." https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-problems-data-gathering-1849855092
The degree to which Apple does collect data for use with partner co's is well identified in agreements you make with Apple to use their services.
It is a pale shadow of what other co's do ... w/o disclosing anything at all.
But do go on inflating the flat cushion as much as you can while
ignoring the crush of the big cushions around you.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. -
from my use of Google products.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
On 2024-02-20 13:34, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 12:02, Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:45:18 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >>> wrote
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key >>>> (name, e-mail address, etc.)
Indeed, you are correct 'they' do a lot of mining of your personal data. >>>
"From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite 'privacy' company is doing >>> more with your data than you might think."
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-problems-data-gathering-1849855092
The degree to which Apple does collect data for use with partner co's is >> well identified in agreements you make with Apple to use their services. >> It is a pale shadow of what other co's do ... w/o disclosing anything at >> all.
No offense, but "what other co's do" is a rather meaningless, unsubstantiated slur. Most companies I know of, also document in
agreements what they do and don't do. Often in painstakingly detail,
which is actually the real problem, because most people are not going to read/understand it all and just tap/click 'Agree'.
You have no idea what is being collected about you by Google w/o them telling you anything at all; and then the co's they sell your data to, certainly do not come running to you to ask permission to what they want with your data.
But do go on inflating the flat cushion as much as you can while
ignoring the crush of the big cushions around you.
Ah, big cushions! Nice and fluffy!
Until inflated to max capacity when they are as hard as truck tires.
No offense, but "what other co's do" is a rather meaningless,
unsubstantiated slur. Most companies I know of, also document in
agreements what they do and don't do. Often in painstakingly detail,
which is actually the real problem, because most people are not going to
read/understand it all and just tap/click 'Agree'.
You have no idea what is being collected about you by Google w/o them telling you anything at all; and then the co's they sell your data to, certainly do not come running to you to ask permission to what they want with your data.
On 2024-02-20 13:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 04:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google >>>> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does >>>> Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how >>> they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without >>> your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have >>> yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - >>> from my use of Google products.
When I browse Amazon for products, my girlfriend sees ads for some of
them on her laptop within 24 hours.
Same here. Probably you two are 'behind' a NAT router and 'hence'
share the same IP, which makes it hard for the ad generation to tell you two apart. So much for the famous 'fingerprinting'.
1) Yes, and 2) that's not what I was referring to by fingerprinting.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than >>> the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail >>> address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
Sad that you shared your birthday.
I don't *share* my birthday, my Google *Account* has my birthday.
So you "shared" your birthday with Google. Not smart. That data has
since been sold to dozens of data brokers and onward to thousands of others.
The public info ('About me') is only my name and my Gmail address. All other information can be disabled/locked and is disabled/locked.
You don't know how it works. Every time an action you take on the
internet with various websites, a little bit more is associated with you.
The matrix proximate to you called Frank gets more data
The matric proximate to you called Slootweg gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called FS@someemail.com gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called your birthday gets more data
More matrices are created and eventually the statistics of one
correlates with the stats of another - they partially coalesce into
denser and denser matrices with a high probability of being related to
you. This is innocuous - until it isn't.
I use a fake birthday on all
websites (except where legally required to use my real birth date:
government tax sites, bank, driver's license and insurance).
Same here.
Not what you said earlier.
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key
(name, e-mail address, etc.) And as they "fill the blanks" and
correlate and "fingerprint" your behaviour, the blank filling
accelerates and the matrices of data condense making their portrait of
you very accurate.
They can't get everything, but they do get an astonishing amount of
data. Do they use it "maliciously"? Not so much other than to sell the >> data to those wishing to target you to buy something.
Yes, several posters keep talking about this alleged "astonishing
amount of data", but as I explained, I don't see *any* ill effects
(other than *misdirected* [1] ads). So this "astonishing amount of data" brings them exactly nothing.
You haven't detected it doing anything harmful. Yet, the fact that
bunches of corporations and data brokers know more about you than you realize only has potential to harm you.
OTOH, if you end up in a legal dispute, you can be sure the adversary
(some corporation) will also purchase that data in order to glean as
much information to buttress their case (whether in defense or offense)
against you.
[1] Like ads for products I already (recently) purchased and for which
the order, receipt, etc. are in my Gmail folders, which Google allegedly scans. So they're waste their clients money and my time on superfluous
ads. Go figure!
If you make an insurance claim, esp. for a medical issue while traveling outside your country (or coverage), you can be sure the ins. co will
comb through the data looking for the slightest excuse to not pay a claim.
You don't know how it works. Every time an action you take on the
internet with various websites, a little bit more is associated with you.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
They'd have to be caught first.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends, and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - from my use of Google products.
Of course you haven't suffered direct ill effects as that would hurt their business model.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
You're naive if you think that's all the data google has on you.
They have a huge amount of behavioural data - unless you've been careful to switch off ALL tracking - which is significantly more valuable than your birthday.
They have a huge amount of behavioural data - unless you've been careful to switch off ALL tracking - which is significantly more valuable than your birthday.
Don't make me look it up if you don't believe it - first look it up.
Then come back and tell me Apple didn't get sued for lying about privacy.
Why don't you show your support.
I've been switching off all unwanted tracking, in my Google
Account, in the Google/Samsung parts of my phone, in the Microsoft parts
of my Windows laptop, etc..
iMessage has been end-to-end for a long
time and messaging is the context of the present topic.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/icloud-backup-encryption
"While data stored locally on iPhones and iPads are fully encrypted by
default, and communications over iMessage are end-to-end encrypted as well, >> Apple has yet to extend the same security to backups stored on iCloud."
Re-read what you cite for comprehension v. what I wrote.
On 2024-02-20 15:07, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 13:34, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 12:02, Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:45:18 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key >>>>>> (name, e-mail address, etc.)
Indeed, you are correct 'they' do a lot of mining of your personal data.
"From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite 'privacy' company is doing >>>>> more with your data than you might think."
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-problems-data-gathering-1849855092
The degree to which Apple does collect data for use with partner co's is >>>> well identified in agreements you make with Apple to use their services. >>>> It is a pale shadow of what other co's do ... w/o disclosing anything at >>>> all.
No offense, but "what other co's do" is a rather meaningless,
unsubstantiated slur. Most companies I know of, also document in
agreements what they do and don't do. Often in painstakingly detail,
which is actually the real problem, because most people are not going to >>> read/understand it all and just tap/click 'Agree'.
You have no idea what is being collected about you by Google w/o them
telling you anything at all; and then the co's they sell your data to,
certainly do not come running to you to ask permission to what they want >> with your data.
Sorry to rain on your Apple-biased parade, but Google documents in detail what they collect and how it's used by them and their partners.
Nothing to do with Apple.
On 2024-02-20 15:52, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 13:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 04:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google >>>>>> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does >>>>>> Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU. >>>>>
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have >>>>> yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. -
from my use of Google products.
When I browse Amazon for products, my girlfriend sees ads for some of >>>> them on her laptop within 24 hours.
Same here. Probably you two are 'behind' a NAT router and 'hence'
share the same IP, which makes it hard for the ad generation to tell you >>> two apart. So much for the famous 'fingerprinting'.
1) Yes, and 2) that's not what I was referring to by fingerprinting.
I know. Here I am saying that *browser* fingerprinting apparently
isn't working. If it was, the ad should be able to target you, instead
of your girlfriend.
You took one thing to be something that it isn't. The ad targeted at
her was due to IP address and had nothing to do with fingerprinting.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail >>>>> address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
Sad that you shared your birthday.
I don't *share* my birthday, my Google *Account* has my birthday.
So you "shared" your birthday with Google. Not smart. That data has
since been sold to dozens of data brokers and onward to thousands of others.
Nope. Wrong continent. Google can't use - let alone sell - my account data without my explicit approval, especially since I've specifically turned off most sections of my public data. If they did, they would face very hefty and repeated penalties. EU GDPR and all that.
And they do. They don't care. The fines they pay are cost of doing business.
other information can be disabled/locked and is disabled/locked.
You don't know how it works. Every time an action you take on the
internet with various websites, a little bit more is associated with you. >>
The matrix proximate to you called Frank gets more data
Sorry to rain on your parade, but my browser does not reveal my name (just verified again with GRC's Shields UP!!).
The matric proximate to you called Slootweg gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called FS@someemail.com gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called your birthday gets more data
Same for these three.
*If* *I* provide any of this information, I do so in creating an account, a commercial transaction, etc. and all these websites are bound
by the same EU laws with hefty penalties.
See above. Profit trumps.
More matrices are created and eventually the statistics of one
correlates with the stats of another - they partially coalesce into
denser and denser matrices with a high probability of being related to
you. This is innocuous - until it isn't.
That's the FUD and urban legends which are spouted. I don't dispute
that these things can/will happen to not-so-smart people or/and outside
the EU.
But they don't happen to *me*. I do get *no* personalized ads, I get *no* 'spam' (UCE/UBE), I get *no* unsollicited phone calls/SMS, etc..
That is not the sole use of the data collected about you. It has value
in ways that are not related to advertising or selling to you.
I use a fake birthday on all
websites (except where legally required to use my real birth date:
government tax sites, bank, driver's license and insurance).
Same here.
Not what you said earlier.
I said my real birthday is in my Google *Account*. You apparently assumed that's public info, but it isn't.
I never claimed it was public info. But it is info Amazon have (and use
and sell). You were a fool to give that up to them.
On websites, I do the same as you (give no birthday or a fake one if
the website insists and only use my real birthday where legally
required).
Amazon doesn't use a website? Wow, I really ...
Sorry, but this is way too much FUD, urban legend and conspiracy
theory for my taste. There's no substance whatsoever. Yes, there are dangers from being on the net, but *this* 'danger' for *me*, is much
much lower on the to-worry-about scale than most - if not all- others.
On 2024-02-21 04:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 15:07, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 13:34, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 12:02, Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:45:18 -0500, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote
Data brokers maintain rather large matrices of data for any given key
(name, e-mail address, etc.)
Indeed, you are correct 'they' do a lot of mining of your personal data.
"From ads to analytics, everyone's favorite 'privacy' company is doing
more with your data than you might think."
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-problems-data-gathering-1849855092
The degree to which Apple does collect data for use with partner co's is
well identified in agreements you make with Apple to use their services.
It is a pale shadow of what other co's do ... w/o disclosing anything at
all.
No offense, but "what other co's do" is a rather meaningless, >>>>> unsubstantiated slur. Most companies I know of, also document in
agreements what they do and don't do. Often in painstakingly detail, >>>>> which is actually the real problem, because most people are not going to
read/understand it all and just tap/click 'Agree'.
You have no idea what is being collected about you by Google w/o them >>>> telling you anything at all; and then the co's they sell your data to, >>>> certainly do not come running to you to ask permission to what they want >>>> with your data.
Sorry to rain on your Apple-biased parade, but Google documents in >>> detail what they collect and how it's used by them and their partners.
Nothing to do with Apple.
Everything to do with Apple. You say that Apple documents the degree to which they collect data in their agreements with their customers and
imply that other companies - and specifically Google - don't do that.
That's your Apple-bias, because, as I described, Google *does*
document what they collect/do.
It's not Apple bias. It was a description of Google's core revenue
model: the user is the product. That you raise Apple as a deflection
from it is on you.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google >>>> admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does >>>> Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU.
They'd have to be caught first.
Of course, but the FUD crowd implies it's done all the time. If so,
they *will* get caught.
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends, >>> and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have >>> yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. - >>> from my use of Google products.
Of course you haven't suffered direct ill effects as that would hurt their >> business model.
So what *is* the worry/harm/<whatever>. "Bad things can and will
happen to you! News at eleven."?
Because it is "personal data" that you have rights to have control over.
How much control depends on jurisdiction.
The harm is that it can used to pre-profile you based on a bias or trend rather than as you as an individual. I suspect you, like me, are a white european so we will never/rarely suffer negative consequences because we
the average or default group.
People from minority backgrounds on the other hand have to constantly fight to be treated as an individual rather than a group label: "black", "disabled", "muslim", etc.
And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail >>> address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
You're naive if you think that's all the data google has on you.
Yes, they have more data on me, but the question is, is that "private data" and do they use it against my wishes/interests or/and do they
sell it to others? There's no actual proof of any of this, only
innuendo.
They may not sell your data directly, but they do make a lot of money from it.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and
On 2024-02-21 05:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 15:52, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 13:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 04:57, Frank Slootweg wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Regardless of what iOS can or cannot do, the fact remains that Google
admits to using your private data, and even use it to make money. Does
Apple do that?
Google uses "your private data" to present ads to *you*. That's how
they "make money", no "admit" nor "even" about it.
If they would use "your private data" for any other purpose - without
your consent - they will be sued to smithereens, at least in the EU. >>>>>>>
As I've said many times before, contrary to all the FUD, urban legends,
and other nonsense which is frequently spouted in these groups, I have
yet to experience *any* ill effect - i.e. 'spam', privacy issues, etc. -
from my use of Google products.
When I browse Amazon for products, my girlfriend sees ads for some of >>>>>> them on her laptop within 24 hours.
Same here. Probably you two are 'behind' a NAT router and 'hence' >>>>> share the same IP, which makes it hard for the ad generation to tell you
two apart. So much for the famous 'fingerprinting'.
1) Yes, and 2) that's not what I was referring to by fingerprinting.
I know. Here I am saying that *browser* fingerprinting apparently
isn't working. If it was, the ad should be able to target you, instead >>> of your girlfriend.
You took one thing to be something that it isn't. The ad targeted at
her was due to IP address and had nothing to do with fingerprinting.
Duh! That's what I'm saying. They *should* - at least - have used browser fingerprinting, but they didn't.
So you "shared" your birthday with Google. Not smart. That data has >>>> since been sold to dozens of data brokers and onward to thousands of others.And Google does not even *have* any of my "private data", other than
the data which I provided, which is limited to my name, my/their e-mail
address, mobile number and birthday. That's it.
Sad that you shared your birthday.
I don't *share* my birthday, my Google *Account* has my birthday. >>>>
Nope. Wrong continent. Google can't use - let alone sell - my account >>> data without my explicit approval, especially since I've specifically
turned off most sections of my public data. If they did, they would face >>> very hefty and repeated penalties. EU GDPR and all that.
And they do. They don't care. The fines they pay are cost of doing
business.
More FUD. Where's your proof, facts, etc.? Yes, Google, Apple, the
lot, get frequent hefty fines, but not for selling data from people's account which they specifically turned off. When doing business,
companies have to prove that they need certain data - i.e. in this
example someone's birthday - in order to be able to do business. If they can't prove that, that's by default a violation.
They don't have to prove a thing. The prosecution has to prove
malfeasance. Google only needs to defend to the best they can. They do
not open their Kimono.
The matrix proximate to you called Frank gets more data
Sorry to rain on your parade, but my browser does not reveal my name >>> (just verified again with GRC's Shields UP!!).
The matric proximate to you called Slootweg gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called FS@someemail.com gets more data
The matrix proximate to you called your birthday gets more data
Same for these three.
*If* *I* provide any of this information, I do so in creating an
account, a commercial transaction, etc. and all these websites are bound >>> by the same EU laws with hefty penalties.
See above. Profit trumps.
Nope. There are limits to what they can do. Besides the hefty fines,
the lawsuits, the reputation damage, etc. they can be banned from doing
any business at all. Google, Apple, et al have been repeatedly beaten
into submission. It works. (BTW, Apple just got another 500M Euro fine
for violating EU rules for music streaming services (reported by the Financial Times).)
See below[AAA]
More matrices are created and eventually the statistics of one
correlates with the stats of another - they partially coalesce into
denser and denser matrices with a high probability of being related to >>>> you. This is innocuous - until it isn't.
That's the FUD and urban legends which are spouted. I don't dispute >>> that these things can/will happen to not-so-smart people or/and outside >>> the EU.
But they don't happen to *me*. I do get *no* personalized ads, I get >>> *no* 'spam' (UCE/UBE), I get *no* unsollicited phone calls/SMS, etc..
That is not the sole use of the data collected about you. It has value
in ways that are not related to advertising or selling to you.
Yes, I know. As I said, (with my precautions) sofar, so good. (As I
said (see quote below),) Much higher dangers than this to worry about.
[AAA.1]
Point is: you do not know. You believe you know. But you have zero
idea of what is happening with your information that Google have
collected on you and re-sold to others. You have no idea what these
others are doing with it.
[AAA.2]
You believe you are wrapped in the protections of EU law, but you have
no idea how data above you is collected, stored, processed and used
outside of the legal confine of the EU ... but is still useful to some
co. somewhere at some time.
Yes, I know. As I said, (with my precautions) sofar, so good. (As I
said (see quote below),) Much higher dangers than this to worry about.
On 2024-02-21 05:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 15:52, Frank Slootweg wrote:
I said my real birthday is in my Google *Account*. You apparently
assumed that's public info, but it isn't.
I never claimed it was public info. But it is info Amazon have (and use >> and sell). You were a fool to give that up to them.
Huh? Amazon? What stuff are you on? I never mentioned Amazon.
Quite right. As I'm on this thread I'm also shopping for parts on Amazon
- fuddled my message. Astounding that I can find a Chinese co. making replacement parts for a near 30 year old American made tool - and it's
here a few days later...
On 2024-02-20 08:43, badgolferman wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2024-02-20 10:07, soyon wrote:
David B. wrote on 20.02.2024 06:31
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/794583/apple-support-communities-asc-forums-access/
Nice find.
I love the post with the screenshot from Apple saying essentially
that Apple's walled garden falls apart like a Potemkin village the
instant you don't constantly and repeatedly, day after day, always
log into Apple's servers (every day of your life, forever!) using
the same Apple ID.
Your basic premise is false and misleading (that you Arlen?) - and
that you're echoing off of that idiot diminishes your very low
standing even further.
You can do everything on an iPhone communications wise that you can
do with Android. That is e-mail, SMS/MMS, other messaging
platforms, surf the web, etc. and so on, w/o being logged into
Apple's system. And of course to the extent that 10's of thousands
of apps provide their own servers, etc., those are also accessible
w/o logging into Apple's servers.
The benefit of being logged into iCloud is the other Apple provided
services for communications and integration of services (as oft
listed in the past). This is the "apple eco-system" that makes
using using various Apple devices such as a Mac and iPhone so
seamless and convenient. All of this over a very strongly encrypted
communications system run by a company that sells products and
services - not people's information - like Android producer Google.
So, bleat out your nonsense attack on Apple again and again and
again, it doesn't change the reality of things.
Can you setup a new iPhone without an AppleID?
Yup.
30 seconds of personal research could have answered that for you.
On 2024-02-21 11:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[Disclaimer: Yes, I said EOD, but it took a while for this mind-boggler
to sink in.]
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-21 05:12, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2024-02-20 15:52, Frank Slootweg wrote:
I said my real birthday is in my Google *Account*. You apparently >>>>> assumed that's public info, but it isn't.
I never claimed it was public info. But it is info Amazon have (and use >>>> and sell). You were a fool to give that up to them.
Huh? Amazon? What stuff are you on? I never mentioned Amazon.
Quite right. As I'm on this thread I'm also shopping for parts on Amazon >> - fuddled my message. Astounding that I can find a Chinese co. making
replacement parts for a near 30 year old American made tool - and it's
here a few days later...
You're not serious, are you!?
Here you are lecturing someone, who is using a tightly controlled
Google Account, on the alleged severe privacy risks of such use, while
Tightly controlled in your opinion. Sort of like canoeing on a calm
river w/o knowing what is below.
you are shopping at *Amazon*!
Who doesn't? And Amazon know less about me than Google other than the trivial amount of purchases I do at Amazon. (about $500 / year - maybe).
So Amazon having, using and selling your personal information is perfectly fine in your book, but if (you say) Google does so, it's the
end of the world as we know it!?
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
And you say you use *Google* *Maps*! Bad boy, bad boy, bad bad boy!
I use all sorts of maps. For short trips Apple is better (for me) for longer trips, Google is better - and certainly has better content w/r to merchants, hotels, restaurants, etc.
On 2024-02-22 05:43, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Anyway, with you shopping at Amazon, you've shown that we should not take your stance on privacy issues all that seriously.
What Amazon knows about me is a pale shadow of what Google knows about you.
Face it. You have 0 clue what Google collect about you.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Chris, 2024-02-26 21:38:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:[...]
I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me
compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who
are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >>>> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >>>> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >>>> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me.
All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back".
It depends where you are and what app you use.
Apple calculator:
Swiping only touches the keys,
Try swiping higher up.
With RCS, it is supported.
Yes, but RCS is not SMS.
Jan K., 2024-03-07 05:44:
W Wed, 6 Mar 2024 20:03:26 +0100, Arno Welzel napisal:
With RCS, it is supported.
Yes, but RCS is not SMS.
RCS isn't supported in this app, but is the group SMS message supported?
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
There is no "group SMS" - it is just a SMS message to multiple numbers. Depending on the SMS app you can of course you can create "groups" which
just contain multiple recipients for your message. But everybody will
still just get a single message by you and can not see if the SMS
message was sent to other people as well.
On 2024-03-12 19:00, Arno Welzel wrote:[...]
So - if an user get's an SMS(!) from an iMessage group - what number is
then used as the "Sender" number?
The time I saw this, most of us were using Androids, I don't remember if anyone was using an iphone. But I was in Canada, so people just used
SMS, not WhatsApp. Some of us had RCS activated, not all.
When I got an SMS, it appeared first as an SMS coming from an
individual, and moments later, it moved to the group. And for sending, I sent to the group, but it was in fact sent to every phone in the group. Another person commented this same behaviour on their phone.
But it appeared as if sending/receiving from the group. I was probably
using Google Messages App.
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