Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple
has no idea how to survive there.
On 2026-03-16 17:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple
has no idea how to survive there.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant
market share."
-Steve Ballmer (then CEO of Microsoft)
"The development of mobile phones will be similar to PCs. Even with the
Mac, Apple attracted a lot of attention at first, but they have remained
a niche manufacturer."
-Anssi Vanjoki (then Chief Strategy Officer at Nokia)
"It's one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of
choice for consumers... But in terms of a sea-change for BlackBerry, I
think it's overstating it."
-Jim Balsillie (then Co-CEO of RIM/BlackBerry):
But you're smarter than Steve Ballmer...
...and Anssi Vanjoki...
...and Jim Balisillie...
...right?
On 3/16/2026 8:47 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 17:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple
has no idea how to survive there.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant
market share."
-Steve Ballmer (then CEO of Microsoft)
"The development of mobile phones will be similar to PCs. Even with
the Mac, Apple attracted a lot of attention at first, but they have
remained a niche manufacturer."
-Anssi Vanjoki (then Chief Strategy Officer at Nokia)
"It's one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of
choice for consumers... But in terms of a sea-change for BlackBerry, I
think it's overstating it."
-Jim Balsillie (then Co-CEO of RIM/BlackBerry):
But you're smarter than Steve Ballmer...
...and Anssi Vanjoki...
...and Jim Balisillie...
...right?
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly outdone by Android and Samsung.
On 2026-03-16 19:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/16/2026 8:47 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 17:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple >>>> has no idea how to survive there.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant
market share."
-Steve Ballmer (then CEO of Microsoft)
"The development of mobile phones will be similar to PCs. Even with
the Mac, Apple attracted a lot of attention at first, but they have
remained a niche manufacturer."
-Anssi Vanjoki (then Chief Strategy Officer at Nokia)
"It's one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of
choice for consumers... But in terms of a sea-change for BlackBerry,
I think it's overstating it."
-Jim Balsillie (then Co-CEO of RIM/BlackBerry):
But you're smarter than Steve Ballmer...
...and Anssi Vanjoki...
...and Jim Balisillie...
...right?
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly outdone
by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really cheap Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
On 3/16/2026 10:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 19:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/16/2026 8:47 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 17:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple >>>>> has no idea how to survive there.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant
market share."
-Steve Ballmer (then CEO of Microsoft)
"The development of mobile phones will be similar to PCs. Even with
the Mac, Apple attracted a lot of attention at first, but they have
remained a niche manufacturer."
-Anssi Vanjoki (then Chief Strategy Officer at Nokia)
"It's one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of
choice for consumers... But in terms of a sea-change for BlackBerry,
I think it's overstating it."
-Jim Balsillie (then Co-CEO of RIM/BlackBerry):
But you're smarter than Steve Ballmer...
...and Anssi Vanjoki...
...and Jim Balisillie...
...right?
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly outdone
by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really cheap
Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones. I'm
not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking about Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly
outdone by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really
cheap Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones. I'm
not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking about
Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
Yes. We all know of your irrational hatred of all things Apple.
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
On 3/16/2026 11:15 PM, Alan wrote:
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly
outdone by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really
cheap Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones. I'm >>> not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking about
Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
Yes. We all know of your irrational hatred of all things Apple.
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers merely
by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly
outdone by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really
cheap Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones.
I'm not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking
about Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
Yes. We all know of your irrational hatred of all things Apple.
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers
merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
On 3/17/2026 12:14 AM, Alan wrote:
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly
outdone by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really
cheap Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones.
I'm not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking
about Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
Yes. We all know of your irrational hatred of all things Apple.
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers
merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every
other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android phone,
that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers
merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every
other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android phone,
that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple
has no idea how to survive there.
On 3/16/2026 10:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 19:01, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/16/2026 8:47 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 17:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town. Apple >>>>> has no idea how to survive there.
"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant
market share."
-Steve Ballmer (then CEO of Microsoft)
"The development of mobile phones will be similar to PCs. Even with
the Mac, Apple attracted a lot of attention at first, but they have
remained a niche manufacturer."
-Anssi Vanjoki (then Chief Strategy Officer at Nokia)
"It's one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of
choice for consumers... But in terms of a sea-change for BlackBerry,
I think it's overstating it."
-Jim Balsillie (then Co-CEO of RIM/BlackBerry):
But you're smarter than Steve Ballmer...
...and Anssi Vanjoki...
...and Jim Balisillie...
...right?
They had success with the iPhone, sure, but only to be vastly outdone
by Android and Samsung.
Ummmmmm...no.
They were only outdone because there are a HUGE number of really cheap
Android phones.
But thanks for playing.
Who's playing? I'm deadly serious. I have never liked iPhones. I'm
not talking about "really cheap Android phones", I'm talking about Samsung's. They are hands down the superior devices.
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers
merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every
other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android phone,
that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know something when
you clearly don't.
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers
merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every
other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android phone,
that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know something when
you clearly don't.
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers >>>>>> merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every
other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a
debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively read.
Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That isn't
that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers >>>>>>> merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a
debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That
isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and Theme
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
On 2026-03-17 11:20, Tom Elam wrote:computers
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge
amerely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost
Themedebate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That
isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization
through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
So utterly trivial stuff.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in news:10pc6bi$3431u$1@dont-email.me:
On 2026-03-17 11:20, Tom Elam wrote:computers
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge
amerely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost
Themedebate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That >>>>> isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know >>>>> something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization
through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
So utterly trivial stuff.
Certainly for you Anal.
And only because Samsung can do it and your locked behind the garden
walls Apple iPhone can't.
How much does Apple pay you to be their fanboi bitch?
Asking for a friend.
Fundamentally, any Galaxy phone is an Android device with some added
makeup. And, the level of support you get depends on the model you
buy.
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers >>>>>>> merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a
debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That
isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and Theme
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:30:25 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
Fundamentally, any Galaxy phone is an Android device with some added
makeup. And, the level of support you get depends on the model you
buy.
Samsung alone gives you so much choice, and if you want even more,
there’s a whole bevy of other Android vendors.
Also, Samsung does actually make its own ARM chips. Unlike Apple.
On 2026-03-17 2:20 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
But you specifically called out "Samsung".And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge
computers merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ... >>>>>>>
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost
a debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That
isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
 From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization
through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and
Theme Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create
custom themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
This is where Alan replies by asking you how these customization have "improved productivity and error-reduction."
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:16:49 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
Well, they’ve abandoned that strategy now, haven’t they? Why on earth would they do that, if it’s working so well?
The answer must be: it’s not. I think this is a response to dwindling
Mac sales. This reinforces my view (from other evidence I’ve mentioned elsewhere) that Mac users are now outnumbered by desktop Linux users.
Think about that: the Mac has slipped to number 3 in popularity among
desktop platforms. That’s never happened before.
On 2026-03-17 2:20 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/17/26 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-16 23:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/17/2026 1:25 AM, Alan wrote:
And in what way is any Samsung smartphone "superior" to a
contemporaneous iPhone.
(Hint: this is where you run away.)
The hardware itself might not be superior, do you judge computers >>>>>>>> merely by that? I think the OS and apps matter, too ...
But you specifically called out "Samsung".
How are the OS OR applications different on Samsung than on every >>>>>>> other Android smartphone.
Oh... ...you didn't really think that through, did you?
That's you, you think Samsung is just making a generic Android
phone, that's false. Maybe you should stick to what you know.
So explain how Samsung's "OS and apps" are different.
There's a saying you should really learn:
"When you've put yourself in a hole, stop digging".
There's something *you* should learn, to recognize when you've lost a >>>> debate. Your zeal for Apple's crapware leads you to selectively
read. Samsung customizes what Google releases as the base OS. That
isn't that hard to comprehend, but you would rather pretend you know
something when you clearly don't.
Explain a customization that Samsung has made.
Just one.
From Google AI lookup:
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization
through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and Theme
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KgEzCGDJN0&t=8s
This is where Alan replies by asking you how these customization have "improved productivity and error-reduction."
On 2026-03-17 14:38, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:16:49 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
Well, they’ve abandoned that strategy now, haven’t they? Why on earth
would they do that, if it’s working so well?
The answer must be: it’s not. I think this is a response to dwindling
Mac sales. This reinforces my view (from other evidence I’ve mentioned
elsewhere) that Mac users are now outnumbered by desktop Linux users.
Think about that: the Mac has slipped to number 3 in popularity among
desktop platforms. That’s never happened before.
According to WHOM?
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:30:25 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
Fundamentally, any Galaxy phone is an Android device with some added
makeup. And, the level of support you get depends on the model you
buy.
Samsung alone gives you so much choice, and if you want even more,
there’s a whole bevy of other Android vendors.
Also, Samsung does actually make its own ARM chips. Unlike Apple.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:16:49 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
Well, they’ve abandoned that strategy now, haven’t they? Why on earth would they do that, if it’s working so well?
The answer must be: it’s not. I think this is a response to dwindling
Mac sales. This reinforces my view (from other evidence I’ve mentioned elsewhere) that Mac users are now outnumbered by desktop Linux users.
Think about that: the Mac has slipped to number 3 in popularity among
desktop platforms. That’s never happened before.
On Mar 17, 2026 at 2:38:41 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pchl1$39968$8@dont-email.me>:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:16:49 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
Well, they’ve abandoned that strategy now, haven’t they? Why on earth
would they do that, if it’s working so well?
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE. If you worked with the EDU segment you would see that.
The answer must be: it’s not. I think this is a response to dwindling
Mac sales. This reinforces my view (from other evidence I’ve mentioned
elsewhere) that Mac users are now outnumbered by desktop Linux users.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about the overall
market?
Think about that: the Mac has slipped to number 3 in popularity among
desktop platforms. That’s never happened before.
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
I am happy to see it. You?
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about
the overall market?
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
...A few bucks spent here or there can make a big difference in perception.
Does the Neo look like a low-margin product? It doesn’t seem to.
On 17 Mar 2026 22:44:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE.
And have quite low margins.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about
the overall market?
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
And it doesn’t really know how to. Does the Neo look like a low-margin product? It doesn’t seem to.
On 17 Mar 2026 22:44:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE.
And have quite low margins.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about
the overall market?
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
And it doesn’t really know how to.
Does the Neo look like a low-margin
product? It doesn’t seem to.
On 3/17/2026 6:44 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 2:38:41 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pchl1$39968$8@dont-email.me>:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:16:49 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
On 3/16/26 8:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 16 Mar 2026 23:08:33 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 16, 2026 at 3:50:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pa1g2$2d5dl$7@dont-email.me>:
Apple has never done well in a race to the bottom.
Good they are doing something to compete with ChromeBooks and the
like.
It’s a dirty, rough-and-tumble world down at that end of town.
Apple has no idea how to survive there.
Apple is brilliant to stay out of a fight they can't win. It's a key
part of their strategy.
Well, they’ve abandoned that strategy now, haven’t they? Why on earth >>> would they do that, if it’s working so well?
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE. If you worked with
the EDU segment you would see that.
The answer must be: it’s not. I think this is a response to dwindling
Mac sales. This reinforces my view (from other evidence I’ve mentioned >>> elsewhere) that Mac users are now outnumbered by desktop Linux users.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about the overall
market?
It occurs to me that Lawrence may be talking worldwide, rather than in
the major markets for new PCs/Macs. Linux probably has a wider
following among emerging markets, but I would still tend to doubt it's surpassed Mac usage.
Think about that: the Mac has slipped to number 3 in popularity among
desktop platforms. That’s never happened before.
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
I am happy to see it. You?
It's obviously a positive thing, as computers have become more a
commodity it makes sense for a company like Apple to offer such a device.
On 2026-03-17 8:13 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On 17 Mar 2026 22:44:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
The market has changed. ChromeBooks and the like are HUGE.
And have quite low margins.
Do you have a shred of evidence Mac sales are dwindling? How about
the overall market?
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
Steam being more popular with Linux than with Mac does little other than confirm that people with integrated graphics don't even consider the possibility that their machine can play games. Windows users with a
decent GPU play games; former Windows users who migrated to Linux and
still have hardware with a decent GPU play the same games under Linux. However, Macs don't come with a discrete GPU and can't easily play games
not designed for the platform.
ChromeBooks are HUGE. Apple is competing with them. And?
And it doesn’t really know how to. Does the Neo look like a low-margin
product? It doesn’t seem to.
It's a more affordable product, but it wasn't designed to compete with Chromebooks.
As for Chromebooks being huge, I'd love for the Prescott Parasite to
prove that.
Samsung Galaxy Android customization offers extensive personalization
through the native Galaxy Themes store, One UI settings, and the
powerful Good Lock app suite. Users can change themes, icons, font
styles, and wallpapers, or use Good Lock modules like Home Up and Theme
Park to redesign home screens, customize app drawers, create custom
themes, and adjust the Quick Panel.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:30:25 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
Fundamentally, any Galaxy phone is an Android device with some added
makeup. And, the level of support you get depends on the model you buy.
Samsung alone gives you so much choice, and if you want even more,
there’s a whole bevy of other Android vendors.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:35:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:30:25 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:
Fundamentally, any Galaxy phone is an Android device with some added
makeup. And, the level of support you get depends on the model you buy.
Samsung alone gives you so much choice, and if you want even more,
there’s a whole bevy of other Android vendors.
I'm happy with my Galaxy A16. It was not $800+. It is a little chunkier
than the Nokia and with the case is a very snug fit in the pocket on the front of my pants, I probably could find a less bulky case.
I get the impression that Samsung's less expensive phones are
essentially remakes of slightly older Galaxy S models, more or less.
I get the impression that Samsung's less expensive phones are
essentially remakes of slightly older Galaxy S models, more or less.
I don't know much about phones and am not interested in the cameras and so forth. I liked the Nokia but it became pregnant and changing the battery would be a real PITA. I looked at the reviews for low end phones and the Samsung sounded okay. iirc it was $175 unlocked at Best Buy. I use Mint
and it is compatible.
One suggestion I have, at least with Samsung phones, is to expect the
USB-C jack to stop accepting power to recharge - instead of demanding an exchange or buying a new phone, the wireless charger is the solution.
It's easier to use anyway, not terribly costly. Saves a lot of hassle.
One suggestion I have, at least with Samsung phones, is to expect the
USB-C jack to stop accepting power to recharge - instead of demanding an
exchange or buying a new phone, the wireless charger is the solution.
It's easier to use anyway, not terribly costly. Saves a lot of hassle.
The A16 does not have wireless charging. You can kludge it with an adapter that plugs into the USB-C but if it stops working...
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That is not "dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That is not
"dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That is not
"dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market
share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That is not
"dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
On Mar 18, 2026 at 6:37:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote <10pfk1a$beqp$3@dont-email.me>:
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market >>>> share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That
is not "dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
You claimed "Mac sales are dwindling".
On 19 Mar 2026 15:56:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:Are you familiar with the term "circular argument"?
On Mar 18, 2026 at 6:37:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pfk1a$beqp$3@dont-email.me>:
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market >>>>> share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That
is not "dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
You claimed "Mac sales are dwindling".
I think that’s still true, at least long-term, just based on Apple’s actions alone. It would be behaving very differently if Mac sales were enjoying ongoing success.
On 19 Mar 2026 15:56:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 18, 2026 at 6:37:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pfk1a$beqp$3@dont-email.me>:
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market >>>>> share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That
is not "dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
You claimed "Mac sales are dwindling".
I think that’s still true, at least long-term, just based on Apple’s actions alone. It would be behaving very differently if Mac sales were enjoying ongoing success.
You claimed "Mac sales are dwindling".
I think that’s still true, at least long-term, just based on Apple’s
actions alone. It would be behaving very differently if Mac sales were >enjoying ongoing success.
On 19 Mar 2026 15:56:54 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 18, 2026 at 6:37:47 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pfk1a$beqp$3@dont-email.me>:
On 18 Mar 2026 01:27:23 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Mar 17, 2026 at 5:13:58 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote
<10pcqo6$3d18p$2@dont-email.me>:
The MacBook Neo is one bit of evidence. The other is respective market >>>>> share among Steam subscribers.
In short: no. You have no evidence.
In 2025 they reportedly had a 10-15% increase in Mac sales. That
is not "dwindling". They have had three year of growth.
What are the actual numbers? Your percentages have no context.
You claimed "Mac sales are dwindling".
I think that’s still true, at least long-term, just based on Apple’s actions alone. It would be behaving very differently if Mac sales were enjoying ongoing success.
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