Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
There are system contacts, which are visible to apps which have the contacts permission. You shouldn't need to install extra apps to use them.
You can, however, have several contacts databases which can be accessed in different ways. Your phone's local contacts database, your Google contacts, your SIM card contacts, etc.
That doesn't stop other vendors making their own contacts database
completely outside of the Android contacts system. A few apps do that so they protect their own contacts from privacy-invading apps that want to read your system contacts and upload them to their server.
However, I'm a bit surprised if Samsung is doing that. Are you sure you're not conflating your local contacts database with one stored on Google's server? You will need Google's contacts app to sync that. Perhaps the Samsung contacts app won't use the Google contacts database, only the local contacts?
I find K-9 will only use Android contacts, rather than picking those up from recent emails, which is a bit annoying as I don't use them.
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
On 2026-07-09 19:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 18:33:59 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
This is why I detest Samsung: their need to use their own apps. In
Belgium we use an app called Itsme to access government sites and
netbanking. It simply doesn't work on a Samsung with Samsung Internet as default browser, but it works just fine on Firefox and Chrome (and
probably every other browser besides Samsung Internet).
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 22:22:52 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
I wonder that myself. I once had a Samsung Galaxy Mini and at times I
just wanted to throw it against the wall. I switched to Nexus 5X and
then Pixel (I know). Nexus was cheap at that time, but with the Pixel available Google upped their price. I know I can install Graphene OS,
but I just cannot be bothered. I've turned off as much settings as I
can, but I'm not 100% convinced it makes any difference to my privacy.
On 2026-07-09 19:02, Theo wrote:
I find K-9 will only use Android contacts, rather than picking those up from
recent emails, which is a bit annoying as I don't use them.
Yes, this is what he told me. And I understand that it would not work
with the Samsung app, had to install the google one.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-07-09 19:02, Theo wrote:
I find K-9 will only use Android contacts, rather than picking those up from
recent emails, which is a bit annoying as I don't use them.
Yes, this is what he told me. And I understand that it would not work
with the Samsung app, had to install the google one.
Does the user perhaps only have phone numbers in their contacts? In that case I think K-9 won't have any email addresses to work with. Maybe you needed the Google contacts app to sync email contacts from your gmail account? ie this sounds like he's in the Google 'ecosystem' and is complaining that the Samsung app isn't part of it.
Personally I would never want to have any kind of list of contacts automatically scraped from my emails on my phone, because it would be full
of noise and be a pain when I wanted to make phone calls.
On 09.07.26 20:10, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-09 19:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>>>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
On 09.07.26 22:17, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 18:33:59 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
This is why I detest Samsung: their need to use their own apps. In
Belgium we use an app called Itsme to access government sites and
netbanking. It simply doesn't work on a Samsung with Samsung Internet as
default browser, but it works just fine on Firefox and Chrome (and
probably every other browser besides Samsung Internet).
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Am 10.07.26 um 11:12 schrieb s|b:
On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 22:22:52 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
I wonder that myself. I once had a Samsung Galaxy Mini and at times I
just wanted to throw it against the wall. I switched to Nexus 5X and
then Pixel (I know). Nexus was cheap at that time, but with the Pixel
available Google upped their price. I know I can install Graphene OS,
but I just cannot be bothered. I've turned off as much settings as I
can, but I'm not 100% convinced it makes any difference to my privacy.
Sounds very much like my own "Android-career".
Started 2016 with a Nexus 5X and switched then to a Pixel 4 and later to
a Pixel 7 which is still doing its job satisfactorily. Today I would
only buy a Pixel and ignore the rest of the crowd. My primary smartphone
is a iPhone 17 which explains perhaps my hardware strategy.
Personally I would never want to have any kind of list of contacts automatically scraped from my emails on my phone, because it would be full
of noise and be a pain when I wanted to make phone calls.
On 2026-07-09 22:21, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 20:10, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-09 19:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>>>>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on >>>> my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Another Swiss :-P
The problem is, that Samsungs *custom* Android version cripples the
official APIs, so that only Samsung Apps work as expected. Blame Samsung
for that, not Android.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
[...]
The problem is, that Samsungs *custom* Android version cripples the
official APIs, so that only Samsung Apps work as expected. Blame Samsung
for that, not Android.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Samsung 'Contacts' app (actually part of the 'Phone' app).
For example the Contacts app handles WhatsApp contacts just fine. I
think it's very unlikely that the Contacts app is special-coded for
WhatsApp or vice versa, so if the Contacts app works with WhatsApp, I
don't see wwhy it wouldn't work with K-9 Mail / 'Thunderbird'.
Having said that, it seems that Samsung is slowly moving to Google
apps instead of their own. For example the Messages app is now Google Messages.
And my primary smartphone is a Google Pixel 6a (which will once vy
replaced by a Pixel 10 or whatever is the current version when the
software supports ends for the 6a in 1-2 years). I don't need Apple
devices at all.
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Frank Slootweg, 2026-07-10 15:38:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
[...]
The problem is, that Samsungs *custom* Android version cripples the
official APIs, so that only Samsung Apps work as expected. Blame Samsung >> for that, not Android.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Samsung 'Contacts' app (actually part of the 'Phone' app).
For example the Contacts app handles WhatsApp contacts just fine. I
Well - Samsung and Meta are both big companies. They will have some
agreement to get thinks working.
think it's very unlikely that the Contacts app is special-coded for WhatsApp or vice versa, so if the Contacts app works with WhatsApp, I
don't see wwhy it wouldn't work with K-9 Mail / 'Thunderbird'.
Because K-9 / Thunderbird is free software and even the Mozilla
Foundation is just a small player compared to Samsung and Meta.
Having said that, it seems that Samsung is slowly moving to Google
apps instead of their own. For example the Messages app is now Google Messages.
Yes, because they don't want to develop and maintain their own messages
app to support RCS and propably Google also demands using this app, if Samsung wants to get an official license for Google Play Services and
device certification.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2026-07-10 15:38:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
[...]
The problem is, that Samsungs *custom* Android version cripples the
official APIs, so that only Samsung Apps work as expected. Blame Samsung >> for that, not Android.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Samsung 'Contacts' app (actually part of the 'Phone' app).
For example the Contacts app handles WhatsApp contacts just fine. I
Well - Samsung and Meta are both big companies. They will have some agreement to get thinks working.
Or perhaps the Samsung app uses the standard Android contacts system?
That's how it's done on every Samsung I've had (admittedly the most recent one - which I still use - was released 2014).
Samsung haven't done a deal with every single app provider that uses contacts. Apps which use contacts work normally on Samsung phones.
But the standard contacts system won't sync with anything. You need an additional app for that, eg Google's app to sync with Google's contacts.
On 2026-07-09 19:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app.
On 2026-07-09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-07-09 19:30, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 19:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 09.07.26 18:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ji,
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install >>>>> the google contacts app to provide the API.
Curious!
Not at all!
Typical Android-chaos.
BTW: Why should anyone use proprietary software for contacts? My TB on
my Pixel knows all contacts I have on my CardDAV-server at any time.
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app.
Unless they have botched it, the user should be able to install another
one and set it as default. With Android 15, I was able to install the
Fossify one.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Wrote in message:
But the standard contacts system won't sync with anything. You need an additional app for that, eg Google's app to sync with Google's contacts.
On this Samsung tablet, Android 13, I use K9 and the default
Contacts app plus CardDAV-sync free, which syncs to my contacts
on NextCloud, which is also sync'd to my iPhone.
As mentioned, K9 - and presumably TB on Android - does not
automatically collect addresses you type in.
Just found out that Samsung has its own contacts app.
And if you want Thunderbird (K-9?) to use contacts, you have to install
the google contacts app to provide the API.
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Dunno about the new ones but my Samsung Galaxy S10+ will be 7 years old next
month and is still on the original battery so I can't complain. Course my
use is light so it's likely a YMMV thing. When the battery does finally
quit I may just replace it for a whopping 36 bucks US. BTW I'm posting this
using the phone. It's a handy way to kill time while the wife shops...
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Because Samsung has a big marketing department and people realize such problems only *after* they bought the phone.
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but
I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an issue.
On 2026-07-11 09:50, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2026-07-09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Because Samsung phones come with the Samsung contact app.
Unless they have botched it, the user should be able to install another
one and set it as default. With Android 15, I was able to install the
Fossify one.
Of course you can. But if one buys a Samsung phone, which is a very successful brand that sells a lot of phones, and it comes with the
Samsung Contacts app installed, one assumes that it has been tested and
that it works, always. And if not, I expect to be told, not having to
find out.
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote or quoted:
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but >>I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an issue.
I want an SD slot, too, but for a different reason: The SD
card is my data storage. I buy a new phone, plug in the SD
card from the old phone, and have all my data again!
Arno Welzel wrote:
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Because Samsung has a big marketing department and people realize such
problems only *after* they bought the phone.
For some of us, the only Android brands to choose from are Pixel or
Galaxy.
As you know, when I was thinking of replacing my Samsung, I only looked at Pixel and Galaxy because there's a ton of customization documentation for both.
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but
I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an
issue.
Otherwise the answer to "Why buy a Samsung" is that many still have sd--
slots, which means you get portable storage for about 30 bucks a pop.
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Frank Slootweg, 2026-07-10 15:38:
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
[...]
The problem is, that Samsungs *custom* Android version cripples the
official APIs, so that only Samsung Apps work as expected. Blame Samsung >>>> for that, not Android.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the Samsung 'Contacts' app
(actually part of the 'Phone' app).
For example the Contacts app handles WhatsApp contacts just fine. I
Well - Samsung and Meta are both big companies. They will have some
agreement to get thinks working.
Or perhaps the Samsung app uses the standard Android contacts system?
That's how it's done on every Samsung I've had (admittedly the most recent one - which I still use - was released 2014).
Arno Welzel wrote:
WTF should anyone buy a Samsung?
Because Samsung has a big marketing department and people realize such
problems only *after* they bought the phone.
For some of us, the only Android brands to choose from are Pixel or Galaxy.
As you know, when I was thinking of replacing my Samsung, I only looked at Pixel and Galaxy because there's a ton of customization documentation for both.
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but
I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an issue.
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote or quoted:
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but >> I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an issue.
I want an SD slot, too, but for a different reason: The SD
card is my data storage. I buy a new phone, plug in the SD
card from the old phone, and have all my data again!
On 2026-07-12, Stefan Ram wrote:
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote or quoted:
The debilitating drawback of the Pixel, for me, is the lack of sd card but >>> I understand that if I buy way too much storage, that isn't then an issue. >>I want an SD slot, too, but for a different reason: The SD
card is my data storage. I buy a new phone, plug in the SD
card from the old phone, and have all my data again!
Yeah, that touches on the same thing that occurred to me: it's not
merely another storage device and an upgradeable one (also one that can
be replaced in case of wear, although I'd expect the internal one to
meet much higher levels of resiliency for that to be an issue), it's
also a way to move/copy files when needed.
I tested a tablet recently, and bought a tablet from a different brand >recently. Both said that the tablet had to be powered off before
insertion of the card, and warned that the card could be formatted
before use.
On 7/12/26 4:49 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I tested a tablet recently, and bought a tablet from a different brand
recently. Both said that the tablet had to be powered off before
insertion of the card, and warned that the card could be formatted
before use.
Powered completely off?
I don't remember about the formatting since I
haven't bought a new card in years but I routinely plug in cards to my various Android toys while they are asleep and upon awakening they ask how
I want to use the card and after I make my choice they say it's ready to
go. No problems. I do get a warning if I do that while awake but so far (knocks on wood) even that indiscretion has caused me no problems. But then my cards contain mostly music and old apks (like my favorite Groundhog newsreader) so maybe other stuff would be damaged??
Time to do some card experiments on your new toys and report back...
| Sysop: | DaiTengu |
|---|---|
| Location: | Appleton, WI |
| Users: | 1,127 |
| Nodes: | 10 (0 / 10) |
| Uptime: | 35:33:25 |
| Calls: | 14,430 |
| Files: | 186,410 |
| D/L today: |
49 files (8,395K bytes) |
| Messages: | 2,552,579 |