Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming
a text-based desktop environment. --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 00:31 this Sunday (GMT):
Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming
a text-based desktop environment.
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
It's certainly a cool idea, but I don't see why you wouldn't just go
full terminal (tmux) or full ui (another wm). Maybe this would be useful
for SSH sessions, though?
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 00:31 this Sunday (GMT):
Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming
a text-based desktop environment.
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
It's certainly a cool idea, but I don't see why you wouldn't just go
full terminal (tmux) or full ui (another wm). Maybe this would be useful
for SSH sessions, though?
That's close to what I thought. I think we've reached a point where a
lot of good stuff is already done and we don't really need more, even
though people can do amazing stuff.
I'm currently reading an article whose title is ``[t]he computer built
to last 50 years'' by Ploum, dated 2021 February 4Th. (I should post it here.) The article has this tone---we don't need to replace computers
all the time. Most of that ``need'' is actually just distraction.
We suffer a lot from distraction. If we remove all distraction, what happens? We get distracted with what we have left---which is probably a pretty good deal. :)
Even most of our conversations here on USENET would be classified as distraction. But I don't think we should kill conversation because
thinking is important in work and I do think thinking is kind of a
collective thing.
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
That's close to what I thought. I think we've reached a point where a
lot of good stuff is already done and we don't really need more, even
though people can do amazing stuff.
Reinventing the wheel can be good for learning, but I definitely agree.
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming
a text-based desktop environment. --8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
That's close to what I thought. I think we've reached a point where a
lot of good stuff is already done and we don't really need more, even
though people can do amazing stuff.
Reinventing the wheel can be good for learning, but I definitely agree.
Yes, I agree too. It seems computers UIs and tools generally have stagnated. At
least when it comes to operating systems.
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 15:20 this Friday (GMT):Indeed. When studying something, reinventing the wheel is of primary importance. I tend to say ``you don't master until you build it''.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 00:31 this Sunday (GMT):
Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming >>>> a text-based desktop environment.
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
It's certainly a cool idea, but I don't see why you wouldn't just go
full terminal (tmux) or full ui (another wm). Maybe this would be useful >>> for SSH sessions, though?
That's close to what I thought. I think we've reached a point where a
lot of good stuff is already done and we don't really need more, even
though people can do amazing stuff.
Reinventing the wheel can be good for learning, but I definitely agree.
That's right. :DI'm currently reading an article whose title is ``[t]he computer built
to last 50 years'' by Ploum, dated 2021 February 4Th. (I should post it
here.) The article has this tone---we don't need to replace computers
all the time. Most of that ``need'' is actually just distraction.
We suffer a lot from distraction. If we remove all distraction, what
happens? We get distracted with what we have left---which is probably a
pretty good deal. :)
Productive distraction :D
Lol. How about syncing it daily?Even most of our conversations here on USENET would be classified as
distraction. But I don't think we should kill conversation because
thinking is important in work and I do think thinking is kind of a
collective thing.
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET
messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
I use slrnpull, but it's set up to sync every 10 minutes or so. Seeing a
ton of messages piled up makes me kinda nervous.
On 2025-03-09, Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming
a text-based desktop environment.
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
$ /data/ftp/vtm/vtm
os: Terminal type: linux
os: Color mode: xterm truecolor
os: Mouse mode: VT-style
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
:(
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET
messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
This is good thinking! I do my usenet once per day (in offline mode). But I think it might be wise to perhaps extend it. Well, to a certain degree it happens naturally. If work increases, my usenetting decreases. ;)
Another thing I'm sometimes struggling with is thread-debt. Some threads, while
interesting, sometimes grow to unsustainable size. At some point they can become
too long to continue, so I must reluctantly abandon them. That feels bad towards
the person who invested a lot of time in writing the post. =(
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 15:20 this Friday (GMT):
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote at 00:31 this Sunday (GMT): >>>>> Has anyone ever tried this?
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
It is a text-based application where the entire user interface is
represented by a mosaic of text cells forming a TUI matrix. The
resulting TUI matrix is just rendered either into its own GUI window or
into a compatible text console.
It can wrap any console application and be nested indefinitely, forming >>>>> a text-based desktop environment.
--8<-------------------------------------------------------->8---
Sources:
https://github.com/directvt/vtm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofkoxGjFWQ
It's certainly a cool idea, but I don't see why you wouldn't just go
full terminal (tmux) or full ui (another wm). Maybe this would be useful >>>> for SSH sessions, though?
That's close to what I thought. I think we've reached a point where a
lot of good stuff is already done and we don't really need more, even
though people can do amazing stuff.
Reinventing the wheel can be good for learning, but I definitely agree.
Indeed. When studying something, reinventing the wheel is of primary importance. I tend to say ``you don't master until you build it''.
(And, in fact, building once is usually far from enough.)
I'm currently reading an article whose title is ``[t]he computer built
to last 50 years'' by Ploum, dated 2021 February 4Th. (I should post it >>> here.) The article has this tone---we don't need to replace computers
all the time. Most of that ``need'' is actually just distraction.
We suffer a lot from distraction. If we remove all distraction, what
happens? We get distracted with what we have left---which is probably a >>> pretty good deal. :)
Productive distraction :D
That's right. :D
Even most of our conversations here on USENET would be classified as
distraction. But I don't think we should kill conversation because
thinking is important in work and I do think thinking is kind of a
collective thing.
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET
messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
I use slrnpull, but it's set up to sync every 10 minutes or so. Seeing a
ton of messages piled up makes me kinda nervous.
Lol. How about syncing it daily?
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 22:00 this Saturday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET
messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
This is good thinking! I do my usenet once per day (in offline mode). But I >> think it might be wise to perhaps extend it. Well, to a certain degree it
happens naturally. If work increases, my usenetting decreases. ;)
Another thing I'm sometimes struggling with is thread-debt. Some threads, while
interesting, sometimes grow to unsustainable size. At some point they can become
too long to continue, so I must reluctantly abandon them. That feels bad towards
the person who invested a lot of time in writing the post. =(
Cheers, I can't focus that well reading through 400 message long
threads.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 22:00 this Saturday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET >>>> messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because
working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
This is good thinking! I do my usenet once per day (in offline mode). But I >>> think it might be wise to perhaps extend it. Well, to a certain degree it >>> happens naturally. If work increases, my usenetting decreases. ;)
Another thing I'm sometimes struggling with is thread-debt. Some threads, while
interesting, sometimes grow to unsustainable size. At some point they can become
too long to continue, so I must reluctantly abandon them. That feels bad towards
the person who invested a lot of time in writing the post. =(
Cheers, I can't focus that well reading through 400 message long
threads.
We must train hard! Over time, our cognitive abilities can be improved. ;)
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 21:13 this Friday (GMT):
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, candycanearter07 wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 22:00 this Saturday (GMT):
On Fri, 14 Mar 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote:
I've had thoughts of working a lot in offline mode. I could get USENET >>>>> messages every Monday, say, and then spend the rest of the week in
USENET offline mode. Just that move is already a time saver because >>>>> working in batch mode is /usually/ more efficient.
This is good thinking! I do my usenet once per day (in offline mode). But I
think it might be wise to perhaps extend it. Well, to a certain degree it >>>> happens naturally. If work increases, my usenetting decreases. ;)
Another thing I'm sometimes struggling with is thread-debt. Some threads, while
interesting, sometimes grow to unsustainable size. At some point they can become
too long to continue, so I must reluctantly abandon them. That feels bad towards
the person who invested a lot of time in writing the post. =(
Cheers, I can't focus that well reading through 400 message long
threads.
We must train hard! Over time, our cognitive abilities can be improved. ;)
Endurance, more like.. and time management.
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