The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/10/2025 11:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Absolutely.
The destruction of hospitals and murdering of journalists can not be
justified. Nor the killing by famine, this is a war crime. No matter if
your enemy is evil.
If you have a cancer in a testicle, you take the testicle out.
Right. You don't shoot the patient in the head.
Hamas use
human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.
A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from the IDF after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of their claims. They couldn't even state it.
The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army from
behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.
They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
On 13/10/2025 11:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-13 12:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:I am not like you are, Carlos. We have established that.
On 13/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-10-13 11:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Of course. It's completely stupid and barbaric.
The point is that Hamas do not *want* peace. They want genocide and >>>>> the destruction of Israel.
Would you want differently, in their boots?
I don't believe you.
"Spain removed its Muslim population through a series of military
conquest, forced conversion, and ultimately, mass expulsion. The
Reconquista ended with the fall of Granada in 1492, followed by decrees
that forced Muslims to either convert to Christianity or leave the
country. Those who outwardly converted, known as Moriscos, faced intense scrutiny and restrictions, and were eventually expelled between 1609 and 1614. "
Nothing like a bit of genocide to get rid of Muslims eh?
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 19:05:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the road. >>>> Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.
I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
groups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY
No problem. Tony Blair will fix everything up.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/10/2025 11:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Absolutely.
The destruction of hospitals and murdering of journalists can not be
justified. Nor the killing by famine, this is a war crime. No matter if
your enemy is evil.
If you have a cancer in a testicle, you take the testicle out.
Right. You don't shoot the patient in the head.
Hamas use
human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.
A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from the IDF after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of their claims. They couldn't even state it.
The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army from
behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.
They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?
Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for Armalites. >> Americans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...
It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
playing the victim.
Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.
And 'Librals' believe in it...
You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to identity politics is desperate.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.
I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic groups >>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY
Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people
nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that want
the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with self-determination and without oppression.
On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
two potential states into one.
On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It has been, at least once by the two parties:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
(And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the Palestinian state.)
It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
two potential states into one.
Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of contention were East Jerusalem...
Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.
Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend.
Just ask him.
the IDFHamas use
human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.
A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from
theirafter attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of
fromclaims. They couldn't even state it.
The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army
Armalites.behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.
They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?
Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for
identityAmericans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...
It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
playing the victim.
Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.
And 'Librals' believe in it...
You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to
politics is desperate.I didnt do that. The Librals did.
Bleeding hearts need victims that Hamas are only too happy to supplyare
I see now the IDF has gone there is a power vacuum and the warlords
quietly killing each other without a comment from the:Libral Press.
the IDFHamas use
human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.
A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from
theirafter attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of
fromclaims. They couldn't even state it.
The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army
identitybehind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.
They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?
Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for >Armalites.
Americans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...
It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
playing the victim.
Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.
And 'Librals' believe in it...
You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to
arepolitics is desperate.I didnt do that. The Librals did.
Bleeding hearts need victims that Hamas are only too happy to supply
I see now the IDF has gone there is a power vacuum and the warlords
quietly killing each other without a comment from the:Libral Press.
tnp = terrorist nambla pedo.. you are so much in love with the worst. >Another "bleddin heat librual".
It is well known that the oinks aka iof strap pregnant and babies to
its Western given trucks / military.
The Hannibal directive soon put itself in action. You have nothing to
say except repeat whatever is on the bbc. Now that
is a "Western and Christian" organisation. Soon, really very soon your
lot will be carpet nuked by either China or Pakistan.
Then ukraine, who were caught so many time burning babies in the ME..
its turn next.
WTF are you talking about here? This is a LINUX group, so move to politics. THANKS!There is a pattern there. Show compassion
On 2025-10-14, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and
Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.
Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend. Just ask him.
On 14/10/2025 19:12, Charlie Gibbs wrote:and
On 2025-10-14, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians
them.Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to
him.
Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend. Just ask
...whatever...
On 13/10/2025 20:17, Chris wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Then why did they vote for Hamas to be their government?
On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of >>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago, >>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.
I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
groups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY
Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people
nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that want
the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with
self-determination and without oppression.
On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It has been, at least once by the two parties:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
(And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the Palestinian state.)
It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
two potential states into one.
Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of contention were East Jerusalem...
Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
On 14/10/2025 8:10 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/10/2025 20:17, Chris wrote:Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:Then why did they vote for Hamas to be their government?
On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run. >>>> And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.
The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of >>>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago, >>>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any >>>>>> more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.
Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
people?
I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
groups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY
Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people >>> nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that
want
the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with
self-determination and without oppression.
people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. 😜
Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one "state") orWest
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
States.
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago,
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
pillaging, and worse.
And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago,
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
pillaging, and worse.
And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
grain back to them at a premium.
Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
pastures.
They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the frigging livestock.'
I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
part out, not write it down and take pride in it.
On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago,
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied >>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
pillaging, and worse.
I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring part, I think it was like a list of laws.
Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the bit that
talked about things being "unclean"). It turned out to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on the best knowledge they had at
the time. It covered everything from food preparation to menstruation
to the diagnosis and treatment of leprosy.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and GolanWest
Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one
"state") or
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
States.
The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area
in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits
and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of the fence which became Syria.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago,
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
pillaging, and worse.
And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
grain back to them at a premium.
Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
pastures.
They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the frigging livestock.'
I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
part out, not write it down and take pride in it.
Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the
bit that talked about things being "unclean"). It turned out
to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on
the best knowledge they had at the time. It covered everything
from food preparation to menstruation to the diagnosis and
treatment of leprosy.
On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago,
when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied >>>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover. >>>> I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing. >>>> But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
pillaging, and worse.
I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring
part, I think it was like a list of laws.
Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the
bit that talked about things being "unclean").
It turned out
to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on
the best knowledge they had at the time. It covered everything
from food preparation to menstruation to the diagnosis and
treatment of leprosy.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 11:16:53 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Making corn more digestible involves boiling it with a little wood
ash or lye. Found that out from a Speculative Fiction story.
Discovered thousands of years back by the people who bred the the
corn we eat today. The process makes the niacin in the corn more
available and converts some of the starch to sugar.
Hominy. The US southeast is notorious for hominy grits that tends to come with breakfast whether or not you want it. When I make pea soup I throw in
a can of whole hominy. I think it's a Quebec thing. When I was in Arizona
I used to make menudo but it's hard to find tripas and patas around here.
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later,
occupied a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to
cover.
I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too
depressing. But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed
over Jordan, found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting, pillaging, and worse.
And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
now-a-days) as one "state") or
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
Arab States.
The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the
area in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell.
Just temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when
the Brits and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the
French side of the fence which became Syria.
On 18/10/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote:The east europeans know fuck all about reality. As these genetic scum vermin bastard race
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and GolanWest
Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one >>> "state") or
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
States.
The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area >> in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just
temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits
and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of >> the fence which became Syria.
When it comes to dealing with barbarians, what you can take and hold is
yours and always has been.
The Arab world is barbarian to a high degree. E.g. when dealing with
matters of marksmanship, regular prayer is considered more effective
than practice and skill.
Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
enemy??
In the Canary Islands they have something called gofio that is ground
corn and toasted. DeepL says that hominy is ground corn.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:23:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/10/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and GolanWest
Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one >>>> "state") or
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
States.
The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area >>> in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just
temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits >>> and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of >>> the fence which became Syria.
When it comes to dealing with barbarians, what you can take and hold is
yours and always has been.
The Arab world is barbarian to a high degree. E.g. when dealing with
matters of marksmanship, regular prayer is considered more effective
than practice and skill.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 14:11:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
In the Canary Islands they have something called gofio that is ground
corn and toasted. DeepL says that hominy is ground corn.
DeepL needs a little more education.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy
For a sense of scale, a piece of hominy is roughly the same size as a chickpea or garbanzo. I get it canned and add it to pea soup. That is a Quebec thing.
https://dinneratleos.wordpress.com/2011/12/10/french-canadian-pea-soup/
I don't remember seeing dried whole hominy so I use the canned type.
Next comes grits, which are coarsely ground dried hominy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits
That's mostly a southern US thing. It's hard to get breakfast without a
bowl of grits. They aren't bad but are bland unless they're dotored up.
And finally there is masa, the flour made from hominy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa
That's mostly Mexican. In northern Mexico who hominy is used in menudo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menudo_(soup)
They might not have had any garbanzos as in the Spanish version and tried
to come close. I like menudo but it's hard to find tripe outside of the southwest US.
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus anonymous.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
enemy??
That certainly is a factor.
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change--
our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
On 19/10/2025 20:36, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
enemy??
That certainly is a factor.
Somewhat redundant since the advent of aircraft and particularly drone technology
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
On 20/10/2025 8:11 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
Oh!! A "Spoonerism"! Good-o.
On 19/10/2025 20:36, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
enemy??
That certainly is a factor.
Somewhat redundant since the advent of aircraft and particularly drone technology
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew whatever
comes out of the tabloids and media.
So "western and Christian" they are.
Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means an
origin and positive contribution.
Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
than 1000 years old and nomadic.
Nambala Keshava Rao
Indian Maoist politician
Nambala Keshava Rao, commonly known by his nom de guerre Basavraj or Gaganna,
was an Indian militant, Maoist politician and the general secretary of the Communist Party of India.
He was on the Indian National Investigation Agency's list of most wanted criminals. Earlier, he
had been the chief of the CPI's Central Military Commission. In November 2018, he became the
supreme commander of the party after the resignation of Muppala Lakshmana Rao.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew whatever
comes out of the tabloids and media.
So "western and Christian" they are.
Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means an
origin and positive contribution.
Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
than 1000 years old and nomadic.
On 10/10/25 05:24, Chris wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Now that's Greta Thunberg, the 100% dyed in the wool definitely not
Yuman doom pixie.
The rumour is that she was recorded every minute of her time in Israeli
hands and her claims of being maltreated have been quietly responded to >>> with a 'STFU. We have the tapes. And can prove you are a lying
fraud.'
Sure. The IDF are *absolutely* the most trustworthy party here with noRumour is that Donald Trump is a very stable genius.
history of extrajudicial activity, lies and murder. <eye roll>
Rumour has it that Donald Trump is suffering from dementia.
I would sooner believe that Greta Thunberg was mistreated in IDF custody but I have heard so far of no complaints from her but that the flotilla was stopped from relieving the starvation of Gaza children
which even moved Trump to compassion.
On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:[...]
On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It has been, at least once by the two parties:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
always intrigued me.
When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
now-a-days) as one "state") or
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine
and West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
Arab States.
Or something totally different.
How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical areas??
On 10/20/25 17:17, Anonymous User wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not
explode in a civilized venue. And according to his own words
he is fearful thus anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
change our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
whatever comes out of the tabloids and media.
You know nothing about my reading and tabloids are not in it. Cannot
afford such stuff which is mostly invention and rumors about
celebrities but those are of no interest what so ever to me
personally.
On 21/10/2025 01:17, Anonymous User wrote:in
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode
thusa civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful
changeanonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
whateverour relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
ancomes out of the tabloids and media.
So "western and Christian" they are.
Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means
origin and positive contribution.Nurse: verbal diarrhoea has set in: Try a shot of morphine
Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
than 1000 years old and nomadic.
On 2025-10-21 04:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 10/20/25 17:17, Anonymous User wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not
explode in a civilized venue. And according to his own words
he is fearful thus anonymous.
Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.
As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
change our relationship with it.
It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.
Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
whatever comes out of the tabloids and media.
You know nothing about my reading and tabloids are not in it. Cannot
afford such stuff which is mostly invention and rumors about
celebrities but those are of no interest what so ever to me
personally.
Please ignore him.
He can not even keep the thread, he is polluting the group.
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:[...]
On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
[...]I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It has been, at least once by the two parties:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine >>
Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
always intrigued me.
When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
now-a-days) as one "state") or
AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a separate matter.
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine
and West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
Arab States.
Or something totally different.
How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
areas??
See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)
[1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast
[2] https://enwp.org/Alaska
Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.
On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:
On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:[...]
On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.
It has been, at least once by the two parties:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/ Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[...]
Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
always intrigued me.
When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...
1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as
one "state") or
AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a
separate matter.
2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
States.
Or something totally different.
How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
areas??
See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)
[1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast
Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.
And the Pacific ones are a LONG way from anywhere at all.
On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:[Regarding the UNGA "two state solution" for Israel and Palestine]
On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:
How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
areas??
See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)
[1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast
Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.
[2] https://enwp.org/AlaskaOpps, yes, of course .... and Hawaii, too.
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