• Re: israel/Palestine

    From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 13 21:26:34 2025
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    On 2025-10-13 21:12, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 11:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Absolutely.

    The destruction of hospitals and murdering of journalists can not be
    justified. Nor the killing by famine, this is a war crime. No matter if
    your enemy is evil.

    If you have a cancer in a testicle, you take the testicle out.

    Right. You don't shoot the patient in the head.

    No, you don't.

    Hamas use
    human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.

    A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from the IDF after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of their claims. They couldn't even state it.

    The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army from
    behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.

    They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?

    And the British didn't retaliate by bombing the entire city to a rubble.

    Terrorism is fought with police, not military.
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    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From Pancho@Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 00:26:50 2025
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    On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?


    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed. It certainly didn't
    occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the two potential states
    into one.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 09:51:28 2025
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    On 2025-10-13 13:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 11:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 12:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 11:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-13 11:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    The point is that Hamas do not *want* peace. They want genocide and >>>>> the destruction of Israel.

    Would you want differently, in their boots?

    Of course. It's completely stupid and barbaric.

    I don't believe you.

    I am not like you are, Carlos. We have established that.

    "Spain removed its Muslim population through a series of military
    conquest, forced conversion, and ultimately, mass expulsion. The
    Reconquista ended with the fall of Granada in 1492, followed by decrees
    that forced Muslims to either convert to Christianity or leave the
    country. Those who outwardly converted, known as Moriscos, faced intense scrutiny and restrictions, and were eventually expelled between 1609 and 1614. "

    Nothing like a bit of genocide to get rid of Muslims eh?

    LOL. You really are going to criticize us for what we did 500 years ago?

    We also evicted the Jews. You did not know that? Their descendants, the sefardies, could reclaim Spanish nationality, by the way.

    We also killed protestants, and made war on a lot of Europe. There are countries where, instead of scaring kids with "the ogre will come if you
    don't go to sleep", they tell them the Spaniards are coming.

    Really?
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 10:06:38 2025
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    On 13/10/2025 19:49, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 19:05:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the road. >>>> Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?

    It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
    And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.

    I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
    groups

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY

    No problem. Tony Blair will fix everything up.


    Well he helped destroy Iraq, so he has form.
    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 10:09:03 2025
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    On 13/10/2025 20:12, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 11:15, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    Absolutely.

    The destruction of hospitals and murdering of journalists can not be
    justified. Nor the killing by famine, this is a war crime. No matter if
    your enemy is evil.

    If you have a cancer in a testicle, you take the testicle out.

    Right. You don't shoot the patient in the head.

    Hamas use
    human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.

    A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from the IDF after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of their claims. They couldn't even state it.

    The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army from
    behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.

    They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?

    Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for Armalites. >> Americans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...

    It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
    playing the victim.

    Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.

    And 'Librals' believe in it...

    You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to identity politics is desperate.



    I didnt do that. The Librals did.


    Bleeding hearts need victims that Hamas are only too happy to supply

    I see now the IDF has gone there is a power vacuum and the warlords are quietly killing each other without a comment from the:Libral Press.
    --
    Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
    people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
    they are poor.

    Peter Thompson

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 10:10:05 2025
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    On 13/10/2025 20:17, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?

    It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
    And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.

    I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic groups >>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY

    Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people
    nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that want
    the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with self-determination and without oppression.

    Then why did they vote for Hamas to be their government?
    --
    If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
    ..I'd spend it on drink.

    Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 11:24:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:

    On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?


    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    (And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
    the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
    down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the
    Palestinian state.)

    It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
    two potential states into one.

    Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
    the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of contention were East Jerusalem...
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 13:08:34 2025
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    On 14/10/2025 11:24, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:

    On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?


    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    (And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
    the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
    down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the Palestinian state.)

    It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
    two potential states into one.

    Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
    the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of contention were East Jerusalem...


    Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and
    Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.

    Up to around 1960 it got along pretty well, and then people starred
    stirring the shit, and imported all the shouty Marxist ideas and bought weapons..

    Yemen - gone.
    Lebanon - gone.
    Syria - Gone
    Afghanistan - gone.
    Iran - gone.
    Iraq - who knows?
    Libya...teetering
    Egypt..OK for now...

    A lot of this is down to Russia of course.
    --
    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
    eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
    time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
    and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
    important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
    the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
    truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

    Joseph Goebbels




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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 18:12:50 2025
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    On 2025-10-14, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.

    Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend. Just ask him.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Harold Stevens@wookie@aspen.localdomain to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 14 15:08:27 2025
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    In <CowHQ.275930$Tux4.13293@fx11.iad> Charlie Gibbs:

    [Snip...]

    Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend.

    Yeah, and Ukraine, too, right after lunch Inauguration Day 2025.

    Just ask him.

    No need, as he's a 'a very stable genius' (but don't bring up Greenland).
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    I toss (404) GoogleGroup (404 http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/).
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  • From Fritz Wuehler@fritz@spamexpire-202510.rodent.frell.theremailer.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 15 00:02:41 2025
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    Hamas use
    human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.

    A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from
    the IDF
    after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of
    their
    claims. They couldn't even state it.

    The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army
    from
    behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.

    They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?

    Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for
    Armalites.
    Americans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...

    It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
    playing the victim.

    Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.

    And 'Librals' believe in it...

    You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to
    identity
    politics is desperate.



    I didnt do that. The Librals did.


    Bleeding hearts need victims that Hamas are only too happy to supply

    I see now the IDF has gone there is a power vacuum and the warlords
    are
    quietly killing each other without a comment from the:Libral Press.


    tnp = terrorist nambla pedo.. you are so much in love with the worst.
    Another "bleddin heat librual".

    It is well known that the oinks aka iof strap pregnant and babies to
    its Western given trucks / military.
    The Hannibal directive soon put itself in action. You have nothing to
    say except repeat whatever is on the bbc. Now that
    is a "Western and Christian" organisation. Soon, really very soon your
    lot will be carpet nuked by either China or Pakistan.
    Then ukraine, who were caught so many time burning babies in the ME..
    its turn next.

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  • From Hubertus Hassmeister@portal@bollwitz.uber.space to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 15 06:22:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    Am 15.10.25 00:02, schrieb Fritz Wuehler:
    Hamas use
    human shields deliberately for propaganda reasons.

    A cowardly act doesn't excuse war crimes. Not a single video from
    the IDF
    after attacking hospitals shows categorical evidence in support of
    their
    claims. They couldn't even state it.

    The IRA were the same back in the day. Shoot at the British Army
    from
    behind a crowd and hope the Army shoots back.

    They were also a terrorist organisation. Your point?

    Also set up 'charities' to help 'victims' and use the money for >Armalites.
    Americans really thought NORAID was a genuine charity...

    It's all about 'spectaculars' and generating negative propaganda and
    playing the victim.

    Cynical use of innocent lives to create a narrative of victimhood.

    And 'Librals' believe in it...

    You reducing this complex issue affecting millions of lives to
    identity
    politics is desperate.



    I didnt do that. The Librals did.


    Bleeding hearts need victims that Hamas are only too happy to supply

    I see now the IDF has gone there is a power vacuum and the warlords
    are
    quietly killing each other without a comment from the:Libral Press.


    tnp = terrorist nambla pedo.. you are so much in love with the worst. >Another "bleddin heat librual".

    It is well known that the oinks aka iof strap pregnant and babies to
    its Western given trucks / military.
    The Hannibal directive soon put itself in action. You have nothing to
    say except repeat whatever is on the bbc. Now that
    is a "Western and Christian" organisation. Soon, really very soon your
    lot will be carpet nuked by either China or Pakistan.
    Then ukraine, who were caught so many time burning babies in the ME..
    its turn next.



    WTF are you talking about here? This is a LINUX group, so move to politics.
    THANKS!
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 15 12:03:52 2025
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    On 15/10/2025 07:22, Hubertus Hassmeister wrote:
    WTF are you talking about here? This is a LINUX group, so move to politics. THANKS!
    There is a pattern there. Show compassion
    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 15 12:04:27 2025
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    On 14/10/2025 19:12, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians and
    Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to them.

    Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend. Just ask him.


    ...whatever...
    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From Anonymous@nobody@remailer.paranoici.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 15 14:02:13 2025
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    On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:04:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 19:12, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Ultimately you have an irresolvable problem in the Jews Christians
    and
    Muslims all regard that part if the world as theirs and sacred to
    them.

    Didn't you hear? Trump solved all that on the weekend. Just ask
    him.


    ...whatever...


    Looser has no answer, perhaps you will get it later on from the fellow ukrainian farrage.
    Being a "librul bleeding heart".. you will support more genocide while
    $300 billion goes to kiev.
    $3 billion already has. So no "charity begins at home"...
    nambla.. you the admin for it.

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 23:37:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 14/10/2025 8:10 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 20:17, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of >>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago, >>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?

    It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run.
    And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.

    I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
    groups

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY

    Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people
    nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that want
    the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with
    self-determination and without oppression.

    Then why did they vote for Hamas to be their government?

    Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
    people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 23:59:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
    On 10/13/25 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of
    the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago,
    but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any
    more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?

    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    (And I distinctly remember it being said that, when discussing names for
    the state that ended up as "[State of] Israel", "Palestine" was turned
    down because there was the expectation that it'd be the name of the Palestinian state.)

    It certainly didn't occur. With settlements, Israel has mingled the
    two potential states into one.

    Yeah, the situation with settlements has made this harder to solve (in
    the sense of adhering to the two-state plans). I wish the only point of contention were East Jerusalem...

    Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
    always intrigued me.

    When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab States.

    Or something totally different.

    How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
    areas??

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Steve Witkoff@Steve.Witkoff@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 13:32:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 18/10/2025 13:37, Daniel70 wrote:
    Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
    people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??

    In fact, Israel created and supported Hamas. Israel has always believed
    in the 'divide and conquer' philosophy. The idea was that by providing
    Hamas with financial support and some basic military equipment, they
    (i.e Hamas) could continue to fight the PLO and Fatah to take control of Gazza. As we now know, this backfired very badly.















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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 17:39:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to
    cover. I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became
    too depressing. But I did get to the part where the Israelites
    crossed over Jordan, found that the land was not uninhabited,
    and went nuts - looting, pillaging, and worse.

    And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 19:47:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18 14:37, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 14/10/2025 8:10 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 20:17, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 18:31, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-13, Pancho wrote:

    The demographics of Israel, and the West, meant that the survival of >>>>>> the Jewish state was always touch and go, but now I think it is
    doomed. They should have accepted a two-state solution 40 years ago, >>>>>> but due to settlement, I don't think that is a practical option any >>>>>> more. Instead, they have spent 40 years kicking the can down the
    road. Appeasing the Settlers. Hoping something would turn up.

    Wasn't a two-state solution accepted at least twice by the State of
    Israel? Or is this a matter of a divide between the state and its
    people?

    It doesn't suit the 'victim' status of Hamas to accept a State to run. >>>> And when they did all its money went into killing Israelis.

    I see now that Hamas has already started beating up on rival Islamic
    groups

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhwLrFcwUY

    Why can't you get over the fact that Hamas is not the palestinian people >>> nor representatives of a palestinian state? They are terrorists that
    want
    the destruction of Israel. The palestinians want to live in peace with
    self-determination and without oppression.

    Then why did they vote for Hamas to be their government?

    Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
    people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??

    From memory, one part of the land elected a civilian party, and the
    other part of the land elected Hamas. which presented itself to the
    elections.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 19:51:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18 14:59, Daniel70 wrote:
    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. 😜

    Oh, no, we can not accept that as a valid claim to a land. Do that and
    we have to give Spain back to the Phoenicians and the tribes. The entire
    worl would have claims on other parts of the world that have to be
    restored. Restore the status quo of the Roman Empire, at least. It is ridiculous.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 19:11:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:37:01 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Did they actually elect a Hamas Government?? Or did they elect some
    people who turned out to be Hamas supporters??

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

    Despite the best efforts of the US and Israel Hamas won or, maybe more accurately, Fatah lost. Whether the PLC or PA is a government is another question. As Steve pointed out Israel thought Hamas would be a
    counterbalance to Fatah.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 19:20:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West
    Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
    States.

    The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area
    in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just
    temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits
    and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of
    the fence which became Syria.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 19:34:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
    I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
    But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
    found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
    pillaging, and worse.

    And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.

    That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
    as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
    in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
    He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
    are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
    the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
    bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
    grain back to them at a premium.

    Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
    the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his
    tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
    pastures.

    They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
    kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
    events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
    said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the frigging livestock.'

    I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
    them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
    part out, not write it down and take pride in it.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 22:47:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
    I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
    But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
    found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
    pillaging, and worse.

    I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring
    part, I think it was like a list of laws.



    And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.

    That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
    as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
    in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
    He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
    are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
    the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
    bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
    grain back to them at a premium.

    Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
    the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
    pastures.

    They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
    kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
    events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
    said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the frigging livestock.'

    This is a different read than the usual interpretation :-)


    I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
    them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
    part out, not write it down and take pride in it.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sat Oct 18 22:17:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied >>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
    I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
    But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
    found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
    pillaging, and worse.

    I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring part, I think it was like a list of laws.

    Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the
    bit that talked about things being "unclean"). It turned out
    to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on
    the best knowledge they had at the time. It covered everything
    from food preparation to menstruation to the diagnosis and
    treatment of leprosy.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 02:08:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:17:42 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the bit that
    talked about things being "unclean"). It turned out to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on the best knowledge they had at
    the time. It covered everything from food preparation to menstruation
    to the diagnosis and treatment of leprosy.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/756399/jewish/The-613- Commandments-Mitzvot.htm


    596. Destroy the seven Canaanite nations—Deuteronomy 20:17

    597. Not to let any of them remain alive—Deuteronomy 20:16

    598. Wipe out the descendants of Amalek—Deuteronomy 25:19

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manusmriti

    The Laws of Manu lays down the expectations for the 4 Varna (castes) in
    minute detail but doesn't suggest genocide as a way of dealing with the neighbors.

    Marcion concluded Christianity had nothing to do with Judaism and wanted
    to pitch the entire OT. Unfortunately he got shouted down or we wouldn't
    have the current crop of Christian Zionists.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 11:23:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 18/10/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
    Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one
    "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West
    Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
    States.

    The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area
    in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits
    and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of the fence which became Syria.

    When it comes to dealing with barbarians, what you can take and hold is
    yours and always has been.

    The Arab world is barbarian to a high degree. E.g. when dealing with
    matters of marksmanship, regular prayer is considered more effective
    than practice and skill.
    --
    "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

    Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 11:25:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 18/10/2025 20:34, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
    a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
    I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
    But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
    found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
    pillaging, and worse.

    And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.

    That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
    as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
    in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
    He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
    are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
    the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
    bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
    grain back to them at a premium.

    Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
    the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
    pastures.

    They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
    kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
    events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
    said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the frigging livestock.'

    I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
    them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
    part out, not write it down and take pride in it.

    Christianity got there by being excessively useful to the Roman Empire
    as a way of keeping peace between its warring colonial natives.
    --
    Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
    name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
    or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
    the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
    face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

    Ayn Rand.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 11:26:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 18/10/2025 23:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the
    bit that talked about things being "unclean"). It turned out
    to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on
    the best knowledge they had at the time. It covered everything
    from food preparation to menstruation to the diagnosis and
    treatment of leprosy.

    Yep. Always wrap enlightened self interest in a cloak of religious morality.
    --
    Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
    name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
    or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
    the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
    face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

    Ayn Rand.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 13:48:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-19 00:17, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-10-18, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago,
    when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied >>>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover. >>>> I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing. >>>> But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
    found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
    pillaging, and worse.

    I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring
    part, I think it was like a list of laws.

    Actually, I found one of those parts rather interesting (the
    bit that talked about things being "unclean").

    That part was curious.

    It turned out
    to be a handbook of hygiene for life in the desert, based on
    the best knowledge they had at the time. It covered everything
    from food preparation to menstruation to the diagnosis and
    treatment of leprosy.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 14:11:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-09-30 22:40, rbowman wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 11:16:53 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Making corn more digestible involves boiling it with a little wood
    ash or lye. Found that out from a Speculative Fiction story.
    Discovered thousands of years back by the people who bred the the
    corn we eat today. The process makes the niacin in the corn more
    available and converts some of the starch to sugar.

    I think I will abstain. Too foreign to me :-)

    Hominy. The US southeast is notorious for hominy grits that tends to come with breakfast whether or not you want it. When I make pea soup I throw in
    a can of whole hominy. I think it's a Quebec thing. When I was in Arizona
    I used to make menudo but it's hard to find tripas and patas around here.

    In the Canary Islands they have something called gofio that is ground
    corn and toasted. DeepL says that hominy is ground corn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gofio

    Gofio is a type of Canarian flour made from roasted grains (typically
    wheat or certain varieties of maize) or other starchy plants (e.g. beans
    and, historically, fern root), some varieties containing a little added
    salt. Gofio has been an important ingredient in Canarian cooking for
    some time, and Canarian emigrants have spread its use to the Caribbean (notably in Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela) and
    the Western Sahara. There are various ways to use it, such as kneading, dissolving in soup, and baking.[1] It can also be used as a
    thickener.[2] It is also found in Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile, where
    it is known as harina tostada and is employed in a wide variety of
    recipes. The gofio commercially available in the Canary Islands is
    always finely ground, like ordinary flour, despite the definition given
    in the Spanish Dictionary of the Royal Academy.[3]

    In 2014, the name Gofio Canario was added to the register of Protected designation of origin and Protected geographical indication by the
    European Commission.[4]
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 23:35:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 19/10/2025 4:39 am, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
    ago, when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later,
    occupied a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P

    Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to
    cover.

    Me, too. I set myself the target of reading one Chapter per evening,
    just as I was going to Bed.

    I think I got about half way through "Exodus".

    I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too
    depressing. But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed
    over Jordan, found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting, pillaging, and worse.

    And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.

    Yeap. Seems "both" sides adhere to "If you can't CONVERT THEM, Kill them!!"
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 23:48:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 19/10/2025 6:20 am, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
    Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
    now-a-days) as one "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
    Arab States.

    The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the
    area in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell.
    Just temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when
    the Brits and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the
    French side of the fence which became Syria.

    Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
    Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
    the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland enemy??
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Fritz Wuehler@fritz@spamexpire-202510.rodent.frell.theremailer.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 16:23:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:23:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 18/10/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
    Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one >>> "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West
    Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
    States.

    The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area >> in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just
    temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits
    and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of >> the fence which became Syria.

    When it comes to dealing with barbarians, what you can take and hold is
    yours and always has been.

    The Arab world is barbarian to a high degree. E.g. when dealing with
    matters of marksmanship, regular prayer is considered more effective
    than practice and skill.
    The east europeans know fuck all about reality. As these genetic scum vermin bastard race
    fifth column as seen in the media and Parliament across the West are panty wetting themselves.
    Since the Western populations are paying for the settler scum to live in someone else country.
    Food, utility, travel.. prices are going sky high in the West. Since the goyim aka Amelek have had enough.
    As before having everything done and paid for itself, the zios vermin are getting worried the Westeners
    have become fact savvy. These barbarians settlers as seen in the ME has no comparison, but the chickens are coming to roost.
    Where the khazars had an escape plan to go back home to ukraine, odesa was their capital. It does not exist anymore.
    £3 billion before, £300 billion promised to starmers homeland, while the UK suffers every day. No "charity begins at home"
    Time is coming for a coming for complete genetic elimination of these vermin. Nuking kiev is the first step.
    Then EVERY e european city and burning every village and then hunting it down to the trillionth cousin.
    Same goes for your lot.. the sayanim.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 19:36:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
    the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
    enemy??

    That certainly is a factor.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 20:04:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 14:11:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In the Canary Islands they have something called gofio that is ground
    corn and toasted. DeepL says that hominy is ground corn.

    DeepL needs a little more education.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy

    For a sense of scale, a piece of hominy is roughly the same size as a
    chickpea or garbanzo. I get it canned and add it to pea soup. That is a
    Quebec thing.

    https://dinneratleos.wordpress.com/2011/12/10/french-canadian-pea-soup/

    I don't remember seeing dried whole hominy so I use the canned type.

    Next comes grits, which are coarsely ground dried hominy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits

    That's mostly a southern US thing. It's hard to get breakfast without a
    bowl of grits. They aren't bad but are bland unless they're dotored up.

    And finally there is masa, the flour made from hominy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa

    That's mostly Mexican. In northern Mexico who hominy is used in menudo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menudo_(soup)

    They might not have had any garbanzos as in the Spanish version and tried
    to come close. I like menudo but it's hard to find tripe outside of the southwest US.



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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Oct 19 13:58:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/19/25 09:01, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:23:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 18/10/2025 20:20, rbowman wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 23:59:25 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
    Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as one >>>> "state") or

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West
    Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
    States.

    The Golan Heights theoretically are Syria. Israel grabbed most of the area >>> in '67 and slurped up the rest when Assad's government fell. Just
    temporarily, of course. The Zionists always wanted it but when the Brits >>> and French drew up their arbitrary lines it wound up om the French side of >>> the fence which became Syria.

    When it comes to dealing with barbarians, what you can take and hold is
    yours and always has been.

    The Arab world is barbarian to a high degree. E.g. when dealing with
    matters of marksmanship, regular prayer is considered more effective
    than practice and skill.

    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode
    in a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus anonymous.

    bliss
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 00:30:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-19 22:04, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 14:11:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    In the Canary Islands they have something called gofio that is ground
    corn and toasted. DeepL says that hominy is ground corn.

    DeepL needs a little more education.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy


    "Nixtamal" in Spanish. Hum, never heard that name. Interesting.


    For a sense of scale, a piece of hominy is roughly the same size as a chickpea or garbanzo. I get it canned and add it to pea soup. That is a Quebec thing.

    Oh.


    https://dinneratleos.wordpress.com/2011/12/10/french-canadian-pea-soup/

    Interesting. My late cousin, who lived there, never mentioned this.


    I don't remember seeing dried whole hominy so I use the canned type.

    Next comes grits, which are coarsely ground dried hominy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grits

    That's mostly a southern US thing. It's hard to get breakfast without a
    bowl of grits. They aren't bad but are bland unless they're dotored up.

    Oh.


    And finally there is masa, the flour made from hominy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa

    Ah. Curious.


    That's mostly Mexican. In northern Mexico who hominy is used in menudo.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menudo_(soup)

    They might not have had any garbanzos as in the Spanish version and tried
    to come close. I like menudo but it's hard to find tripe outside of the southwest US.

    "menudo" is a word used in a Spain, The Sevilla and Cadiz region, says Wikipedia. My mother family lived there most of their life, so that's
    why the word is known to me. Not a food of my liking, though.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 10:11:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
    --
    Microsoft : the best reason to go to Linux that ever existed.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 10:14:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 19/10/2025 20:36, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
    Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
    the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
    enemy??

    That certainly is a factor.

    Somewhat redundant since the advent of aircraft and particularly drone technology
    --
    “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

    —Soren Kierkegaard

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 23:39:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 20/10/2025 8:11 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate.  Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue.  And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    Oh!! A "Spoonerism"! Good-o.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 23:40:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 20/10/2025 8:14 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 19/10/2025 20:36, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
    Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
    the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
    enemy??

    That certainly is a factor.

    Somewhat redundant since the advent of aircraft and particularly drone technology

    Oh!! Picky! Picky! ;-P
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 18:01:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-20, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    <snicker> I'll remember that one.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.

    Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 18:01:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-20, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 20/10/2025 8:11 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate.  Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue.  And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    Oh!! A "Spoonerism"! Good-o.

    Someone once described the Speverend Rooner
    as "having rubble with his turds".

    I think I heard that one on a program created
    by someone who identified the station as part
    of the "Canadian Broadcorping Castration".
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 19:10:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:14:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 20:36, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 23:48:12 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    Ah! O.K. I think I might have focused on the "Heights" part of "Golan
    Heights" .... I mean in War situations, doesn't everybody aim to take
    the High Ground .... so they can lob bombs/mines/etc at the Lowland
    enemy??

    That certainly is a factor.

    Somewhat redundant since the advent of aircraft and particularly drone technology

    Good old shelling remains popular.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israeli_shelling_of_UNRWA_Gaza_shelters

    BAE opened a new factory to produce M777s to flush down the Ukrainian
    rathole. Good money if Zelensky ever gets around to paying for anything.
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  • From Fritz Wuehler@fritz@spamexpire-202510.rodent.frell.theremailer.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 23:52:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew whatever
    comes out of the tabloids and media.
    So "western and Christian" they are.
    Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means an
    origin and positive contribution.
    Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
    than 1000 years old and nomadic.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Oct 20 19:57:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 10/20/25 17:17, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew whatever
    comes out of the tabloids and media.

    You know nothing about my reading and tabloids are not in it. Cannot afford
    such stuff which is mostly invention and rumors about celebrities but
    those are
    of no interest what so ever to me personally.

    So "western and Christian" they are.

    I was raised by Christians and went to a RC Highschool in the 1950s but i have studied regarding most other religions and no longer visit the churches.
    I am not convinced that there is any true religion but am well aware of the influence of our Lady Discordia/Eris in human affairs.

    Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means an
    origin and positive contribution.

    You are really so full of anger you do not realize the pointlessness of the
    above sentence.

    Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
    than 1000 years old and nomadic.

    What lot is that? Everyone is less than 1000 years old of course
    but I have been in the same city since 1967 and the same apartment since
    1974. I used to enjoy local travel but that is no longer my metier.
    Nambala Keshava Rao
    Indian Maoist politician
    Nambala Keshava Rao, commonly known by his nom de guerre Basavraj or Gaganna,
    was an Indian militant, Maoist politician and the general secretary of the Communist Party of India.
    He was on the Indian National Investigation Agency's list of most wanted criminals. Earlier, he
    had been the chief of the CPI's Central Military Commission. In November 2018, he became the
    supreme commander of the party after the resignation of Muppala Lakshmana Rao.

    Is that the man you are refering to?

    Why do you think he has anything to do with Israel or Palestine.

    All the older civilizations were lucky to last a thousand years then
    usually they collapsed from natural disasters including earthquakes and plagues or
    from barbarian invasions.

    Egypt had a long run but many dynasties with many low points in the history.
    Several invasions from the South and the Sea People and of course the Hebrews who apparently were a coherent group earlier than many.

    bliss - eating no hot dog buns on Fridays to please our Lady.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 21 09:26:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 21/10/2025 01:17, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew whatever
    comes out of the tabloids and media.
    So "western and Christian" they are.
    Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means an
    origin and positive contribution.
    Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
    than 1000 years old and nomadic.

    Nurse: verbal diarrhoea has set in: Try a shot of morphine
    --
    "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the
    news paper, you are mis-informed."

    Mark Twain

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 21 10:57:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-10, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 10/10/25 05:24, Chris wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Now that's Greta Thunberg, the 100% dyed in the wool definitely not
    Yuman doom pixie.

    The rumour is that she was recorded every minute of her time in Israeli
    hands and her claims of being maltreated have been quietly responded to >>> with a 'STFU. We have the tapes. And can prove you are a lying
    fraud.'

    Actually, the IDF seems to be saying that Greta herself didn't complain
    much, and the reports seem to be mostly coming from other detainees.

    Your post, though, was the first and only occurrence so far where I saw
    the mention of such recordings so far.

    Sure. The IDF are *absolutely* the most trustworthy party here with no
    history of extrajudicial activity, lies and murder. <eye roll>

    Rumour is that Donald Trump is a very stable genius.
    Rumour has it that Donald Trump is suffering from dementia.

    I would sooner believe that Greta Thunberg was mistreated in IDF custody but I have heard so far of no complaints from her but that the flotilla was stopped from relieving the starvation of Gaza children
    which even moved Trump to compassion.

    I think it was reported that she complained of less than acceptable
    conditions to some diplomatic representation/mission; there have also
    been reports of food and water deprivation, as well as of disreputable behaviour possibly to be exploitable as political propaganda (in which
    event there will be footage of it?), by both IDF members and a minister
    of the israeli cabinet. [1] (apparently mainly based on [2], but with
    further content)

    There have also been reports that IDF members were likely trying to
    forge signatures of detainees based on their travel documents. [3]

    What's the icing on top of the cake to me is the portuguese foreign
    minister blaming activists for choosing Yom Kippur, when Israeli
    services would be understaffed or closed. For a trip *to Gaza*, not
    Israel... [4] That comment could have been completely avoided...


    [1] https://www.publico.pt/2149641

    [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/04/greta-thunberg-israel-gaza-sweden

    [3] headline of paywalled article at https://www.publico.pt/2149704

    [4] https://www.publico.pt/2149227
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 21 11:06:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
    [...]
    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    [...]
    Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
    always intrigued me.

    When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
    Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
    now-a-days) as one "state") or

    AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a
    separate matter.

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine
    and West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
    Arab States.

    Or something totally different.

    How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical areas??

    See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)

    [1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast
    [2] https://enwp.org/Alaska
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 21 21:10:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-21 04:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 10/20/25 17:17, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not
    explode in a civilized venue. And according to his own words
    he is fearful thus anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
    change our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
    whatever comes out of the tabloids and media.

    You know nothing about my reading and tabloids are not in it. Cannot
    afford such stuff which is mostly invention and rumors about
    celebrities but those are of no interest what so ever to me
    personally.

    Please ignore him.

    He can not even keep the thread, he is polluting the group.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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  • From Fritz Wuehler@fritz@spamexpire-202510.rodent.frell.theremailer.net to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Oct 21 21:54:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 09:26:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 21/10/2025 01:17, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate. Hope he does not explode
    in
    a civilized venue. And according to his own words he is fearful
    thus
    anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
    change
    our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
    whatever
    comes out of the tabloids and media.
    So "western and Christian" they are.
    Your lot really hate the entire planet as the civilized world means
    an
    origin and positive contribution.
    Both these are lacking with the "our boys" as all this lot are less
    than 1000 years old and nomadic.

    Nurse: verbal diarrhoea has set in: Try a shot of morphine


    So you want a nurse... is that what your hero epstein kept on barking
    about?
    Or how about greville janner, leon britton, sadowski, jimmy saville, rothermere, jon king....
    Ancient Egypt predates any actual faith. Not some khazar convert...
    nomadic with no actual origin.
    In ukraine it is taught it is less than 1000 years old.. just like all
    of eastern Europe.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 11:37:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 21/10/2025 20:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-10-21 04:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 10/20/25 17:17, Anonymous User wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 10:11:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 19/10/2025 21:58, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Well Anonymous seems to be full of hate.  Hope he does not
    explode in a civilized venue.  And according to his own words
    he is fearful thus anonymous.

    Indeed, He is very twitter and bisted.

    As humans, we cannot easily change the world, but we can easily
    change our relationship with it.

    It is weird that so few people do this in order to be content.

    Preferring instead to be righteous angry and unhappy.


    Such a nambala terrorist you really are as all you do is spew
    whatever comes out of the tabloids and media.

    You know nothing about my reading and tabloids are not in it. Cannot
    afford such stuff which is mostly invention and rumors about
    celebrities but those are of no interest what so ever to me
    personally.

    Please ignore him.

    He can not even keep the thread, he is polluting the group.


    I have kf-ed him. Mentally ill.

    --
    “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
    urge to rule it.”
    – H. L. Mencken

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  • From Daniel70@daniel47@nomail.afraid.org to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 23:09:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
    [...]
    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine >>
    [...]
    Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
    always intrigued me.

    When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and
    Golan Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much,
    now-a-days) as one "state") or

    AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a separate matter.

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine
    and West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate
    Arab States.

    Or something totally different.

    How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
    areas??

    See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)

    [1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast

    Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
    of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
    been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.

    [2] https://enwp.org/Alaska

    Opps, yes, of course .... and Hawaii, too.
    --
    Daniel70
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 14:57:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 22/10/2025 13:09, Daniel70 wrote:
    Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
    of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
    been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.

    Kaliningrad is just about the *only* more or less ice-free Atlantic sea
    port the USSR has. Pemorsk has been bombed to f*** by Ukraine, now

    Once you remove Ukraine, anyway...which has both the Bosporus and the
    strait of Gibraltar or Suez canal to navigate to get anywhere..

    And the Pacific ones are a LONG way from anywhere at all.

    Murmansk is deadly in winter. So is St Petersburg..Vladivostok? Kamchatka?

    Kaliningrad is such a strategically important place for Russia they will
    not willingly let it go.

    But it will go as part of the second collapse when mots like Ukraine
    will annex Muscovy, and the rest of the federation become independent
    --
    In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
    gets full Marx.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 20:25:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 23:09:14 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 14/10/2025 9:24 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-14, Pancho wrote:
    [...]
    I don't think a two-state solution was ever agreed.

    It has been, at least once by the two parties:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/ Bill_Clinton%2C_Yitzhak_Rabin%2C_Yasser_Arafat_at_the_White_House_1993-09-13.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

    Besides this, I think the creation of what became the State of Israel
    arised out of the decision to foster a two-state solution at the UN
    level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
    United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

    [...]
    Not having read too deeply on this topic, "The Two State Solution" has
    always intrigued me.

    When talking "Two State" are we meaning ...

    1. Israel as one state and The Rest (Palestine, West Bank and Golan
    Heights (which doesn't seem to be disgussed too much, now-a-days) as
    one "state") or

    AFAIK this, although as noted in other replies the Golan Heights are a
    separate matter.

    2. Israel as one state and the Two Palestine States (Palestine and
    West Bank (again no mention of Golan Heights)) being two seperate Arab
    States.

    Or something totally different.

    How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
    areas??

    See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)

    [1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast

    Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
    of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
    been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.

    That would be a hard sell for Russia. It's their only ice free Baltic port
    and home of the Baltic fleet. For all its land mass Russia is short on
    useful sea ports, hence the sensitivity about the Black Sea ports in the Crimea.

    After WWI when Poland was recreated and given a corridor to Danzig it
    isolated East Prussia in a similar way. Germany wanted to build a highway across the corridor for land access, no entrances or exits in Polish territory. Poland refused and it was off to the races.

    Alaska has a similar problem. During peak covid Canada closed the border
    and there is no land route from the lower 48 to Alaska.





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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 20:33:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:57:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    And the Pacific ones are a LONG way from anywhere at all.

    When McGregor and Boorman got to eastern Russia in 'Long Way Round' it
    became very interesting. They elected to load everything on a train to
    cross Siberia and at one point the Russian Army took pity on them and
    loaded the bikes on a truck for a river ford.

    In hindsight it would have been wiser to let the Germans push the Soviets
    east of the Urals and let them bang around in Asia where they could do
    little harm.

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Oct 22 23:46:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2025-10-22, Daniel70 wrote:

    On 21/10/2025 9:06 pm, Nuno Silva wrote:
    On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 wrote:

    [Regarding the UNGA "two state solution" for Israel and Palestine]

    How can you have One State spread over two/three seperate Geographical
    areas??

    See e.g. Russia [1] and the United States of America [2] :-)

    [1] https://enwp.org/Kaliningrad_Oblast

    Was not aware of that one.I would have thought when all the other bits
    of USSR broke away, this one would have also gone Independant .... or
    been subsumed into one or other of the 'breakaway' counties.

    [2] https://enwp.org/Alaska

    Opps, yes, of course .... and Hawaii, too.

    Ah yes, for this I was thinking only of territories separated by land,
    not water.

    Islands - that reminded me of another one: Timor-Leste (in this case,
    while on an island, it's still separated by land):

    https://enwp.org/Oecusse
    --
    Nuno Silva
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