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Just last week, Microsoft officially ended support for Windows 10,
pushing users to upgrade to its latest operating system Windows 11. That
makes the timing of a recent Windows 11 issue very awkward for
Microsoft.

Unfortunately, Microsoft's most recent Windows 11 update appears to have
caused problems with numerous different applications and hardware
peripherals, according to a multiple reports from different outlets,
including our sister site, CNET. Many devices using Windows 11 will now
require a follow-up emergency update to fix issued caused by the
previous mandatory update.

The October Windows 11 update "breaks localhost (127.0.0.1) HTTP/2 connections," according to Windows Latest, which also listed a number of
issues that users are facing. For example, apps that were hosted locally
were no longer able to connect to the network. Windows users were also
finding that some hardware by Logitech was no longer working on their
PCs. In addition, some users reported that their mouse and keyboard
wouldn't work in WinRE (Windows Recovery Environment) and that File
Explorer document wouldn't open in the Preview pane due to a false
security issue.

Microsoft has since indicated that a fix is on the way in a subsequent
update for issues with Windows 11 KB5066835. The company says a patch is rolling out and users should continually check for an update. However,
it could take more than 48 hours for the update to finally show for some
users.

Mashable previously reported on one of the last updates to Windows 10,
which caused issues that included frame rates dropping in games like
Fortnite, making them near unplayable.

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

As Microsoft looks to move those who have still yet to update their
operating system to Windows 11, this latest update bug couldn't have
come at a worse time. Microsoft is certainly looking to get that fix out
to everyone as soon as possible.

https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-windows-11-oct-2025-emergency-upda
te

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Left unmentioned are the email forwarding that doesn't permit any changes, incorrect network interface enumeration, the lost GPUs that worked perfectly in Windows 10, but now are greyed out in Windows 11, the random .zip file extraction that doesn't work because of a permissions issue, the extra movements and clicks to perform basic tasks that should only be single-
clicks, the horrible oversized rude dialogue windows that open for optional functions that were nice, neat and matched the formatting of the program
in use. There are dozens of others that indicate this version of Windows
is simply not ready for prime time.
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On 20 Oct 2025, Anonymous User <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> posted some news:20251021.011259.5fd8786f@dirge.harmsk.com:

Just last week, Microsoft officially ended support for Windows 10,
pushing users to upgrade to its latest operating system Windows 11.
That makes the timing of a recent Windows 11 issue very awkward for Microsoft.

Unfortunately, Microsoft's most recent Windows 11 update appears to
have caused problems with numerous different applications and hardware peripherals, according to a multiple reports from different outlets, including our sister site, CNET. Many devices using Windows 11 will
now require a follow-up emergency update to fix issued caused by the
previous mandatory update.

The October Windows 11 update "breaks localhost (127.0.0.1) HTTP/2 connections," according to Windows Latest, which also listed a number
of issues that users are facing. For example, apps that were hosted
locally were no longer able to connect to the network. Windows users
were also finding that some hardware by Logitech was no longer working
on their PCs. In addition, some users reported that their mouse and
keyboard wouldn't work in WinRE (Windows Recovery Environment) and
that File Explorer document wouldn't open in the Preview pane due to a
false security issue.

Desktops were all okay. One of my older laptops is affected by the
keyboard issue. Sloppy sloppy Microsoft!

Microsoft has since indicated that a fix is on the way in a subsequent
update for issues with Windows 11 KB5066835. The company says a patch
is rolling out and users should continually check for an update.
However, it could take more than 48 hours for the update to finally
show for some users.

Mashable previously reported on one of the last updates to Windows 10,
which caused issues that included frame rates dropping in games like Fortnite, making them near unplayable.

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to
to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of Windows. Navigation for apps and the removal of the ability to have a
second toolbar made it cumbersome to use. This is what happens when smartphone operators who have never actually worked are tasked with
product maintenance. The design becomes stupid like them and this clunker.

Just because something looks the same doesn't mean it is.

As Microsoft looks to move those who have still yet to update their
operating system to Windows 11, this latest update bug couldn't have
come at a worse time. Microsoft is certainly looking to get that fix
out to everyone as soon as possible.

https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-windows-11-oct-2025-emergency-up
da te

--
Left unmentioned are the email forwarding that doesn't permit any
changes, incorrect network interface enumeration, the lost GPUs that
worked perfectly in Windows 10, but now are greyed out in Windows 11,
the random .zip file extraction that doesn't work because of a
permissions issue, the extra movements and clicks to perform basic
tasks that should only be single- clicks, the horrible oversized rude dialogue windows that open for optional functions that were nice, neat
and matched the formatting of the program in use. There are dozens of
others that indicate this version of Windows is simply not ready for
prime time.

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On Oct 21, 2025 at 1:18:36 PM MST, "anon" wrote <20251021.161836.1891f836@dirge.harmsk.com>:

...

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the
marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to
to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of Windows.

Have any good examples? This is the type stuff I like to look at -- productivity and efficiency.

One I have seen is reminiscent of past oddities from MS... you have partial menus and have to hit show more to get the full menu. Huh? If you want
"hidden" things use sub-menus.

...
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On 10/21/2025 6:50 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 1:18:36 PM MST, "anon" wrote <20251021.161836.1891f836@dirge.harmsk.com>:

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the
marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to
to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of
Windows.

Have any good examples? This is the type stuff I like to look at -- productivity and efficiency.

One I have seen is reminiscent of past oddities from MS... you have partial menus and have to hit show more to get the full menu. Huh? If you want "hidden" things use sub-menus.

The remailer user is wrong, Win11 is fine and with something like
StarAllBack you can make it look just perfect. Though I did have a
failure, with Windows Update installing the out-of-band cumulative
update, today, for some unknown reason.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On Oct 21, 2025 at 3:56:16 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <kcUJQ.293786$RrE7.252010@fx45.iad>:

On 10/21/2025 6:50 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 1:18:36 PM MST, "anon" wrote
<20251021.161836.1891f836@dirge.harmsk.com>:

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the >>>> marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to >>> to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of
Windows.

Have any good examples? This is the type stuff I like to look at --
productivity and efficiency.

One I have seen is reminiscent of past oddities from MS... you have partial >> menus and have to hit show more to get the full menu. Huh? If you want
"hidden" things use sub-menus.

The remailer user is wrong, Win11 is fine and with something like
StarAllBack you can make it look just perfect.

I asked ChatGPT to give more examples like the one I offered. It came up with this:

• Taskbar – Can’t move it to the top or sides anymore. Opening Task Manager now takes two clicks instead of one. Dragging files to app icons doesn’t always work.

• File Explorer – The old ribbon with one-click actions (like “New folder” or “Copy path”) is gone. You now have to click through icons or dropdowns to do the same things.

• System Tray / network controls – Wi-Fi, sound, and battery got combined into one menu. Looks slick, but now it’s several clicks to get to detailed settings like the volume mixer or network options.

• Default apps – Changing defaults (like setting Chrome or VLC) used to
take one step. Now you have to do it one file type or protocol at a time.

• Start menu – Fewer customization options, smaller app lists, and sometimes the search window opens separately, making it slower.

• Shut down / restart – Used to be a right-click away. Now it’s buried
under your user icon in the Start menu.

I then asked about macOS, and it listed

* System Settings -- yeah, it is harder to work with I think.

* Stage Manager can add extra click. I like it... but it does not remember window arrangements well. Fair.

Though I did have a
failure, with Windows Update installing the out-of-band cumulative
update, today, for some unknown reason.

All OSs / systems have occasional mysterious oddities.
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On 10/21/2025 8:53 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 3:56:16 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <kcUJQ.293786$RrE7.252010@fx45.iad>:

On 10/21/2025 6:50 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 1:18:36 PM MST, "anon" wrote
<20251021.161836.1891f836@dirge.harmsk.com>:

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to >>>> to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of >>>> Windows.

Have any good examples? This is the type stuff I like to look at --
productivity and efficiency.

One I have seen is reminiscent of past oddities from MS... you have partial >>> menus and have to hit show more to get the full menu. Huh? If you want
"hidden" things use sub-menus.

The remailer user is wrong, Win11 is fine and with something like
StarAllBack you can make it look just perfect.

I asked ChatGPT to give more examples like the one I offered. It came up with this:

• Taskbar – Can’t move it to the top or sides anymore. Opening Task
Manager now takes two clicks instead of one. Dragging files to app icons doesn’t always work.

• File Explorer – The old ribbon with one-click actions (like “New
folder” or “Copy path”) is gone. You now have to click through icons or dropdowns to do the same things.

• System Tray / network controls – Wi-Fi, sound, and battery got combined into one menu. Looks slick, but now it’s several clicks to get to detailed settings like the volume mixer or network options.

• Default apps – Changing defaults (like setting Chrome or VLC) used to
take one step. Now you have to do it one file type or protocol at a time.

• Start menu – Fewer customization options, smaller app lists, and sometimes the search window opens separately, making it slower.

• Shut down / restart – Used to be a right-click away. Now it’s buried
under your user icon in the Start menu.

I then asked about macOS, and it listed

* System Settings -- yeah, it is harder to work with I think.

* Stage Manager can add extra click. I like it... but it does not remember window arrangements well. Fair.

This is why I like StartAllBack.

Though I did have a
failure, with Windows Update installing the out-of-band cumulative
update, today, for some unknown reason.

All OSs / systems have occasional mysterious oddities.

I suppose so.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On Oct 21, 2025 at 6:07:41 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote <x7WJQ.652364$p8E9.569445@fx18.iad>:

On 10/21/2025 8:53 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 3:56:16 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote
<kcUJQ.293786$RrE7.252010@fx45.iad>:

On 10/21/2025 6:50 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 21, 2025 at 1:18:36 PM MST, "anon" wrote
<20251021.161836.1891f836@dirge.harmsk.com>:

Windows 11 kind of sucks because it requires more movements and clicks to >>>>> to perform similar functions that only took one in previous versions of >>>>> Windows.

Have any good examples? This is the type stuff I like to look at --
productivity and efficiency.

One I have seen is reminiscent of past oddities from MS... you have partial
menus and have to hit show more to get the full menu. Huh? If you want >>>> "hidden" things use sub-menus.

The remailer user is wrong, Win11 is fine and with something like
StarAllBack you can make it look just perfect.

I asked ChatGPT to give more examples like the one I offered. It came up with
this:

• Taskbar – Can’t move it to the top or sides anymore. Opening Task
Manager now takes two clicks instead of one. Dragging files to app icons
doesn’t always work.

• File Explorer – The old ribbon with one-click actions (like “New
folder” or “Copy path”) is gone. You now have to click through icons or
dropdowns to do the same things.

• System Tray / network controls – Wi-Fi, sound, and battery got >> combined into one menu. Looks slick, but now it’s several clicks to get to >> detailed settings like the volume mixer or network options.

• Default apps – Changing defaults (like setting Chrome or VLC) used to
take one step. Now you have to do it one file type or protocol at a time.

• Start menu – Fewer customization options, smaller app lists, and
sometimes the search window opens separately, making it slower.

• Shut down / restart – Used to be a right-click away. Now it’s buried
under your user icon in the Start menu.

I then asked about macOS, and it listed

* System Settings -- yeah, it is harder to work with I think.

* Stage Manager can add extra click. I like it... but it does not remember >> window arrangements well. Fair.

This is why I like StartAllBack.

Though I did have a
failure, with Windows Update installing the out-of-band cumulative
update, today, for some unknown reason.

All OSs / systems have occasional mysterious oddities.

I suppose so.

Thanks for pointing me to it. I will use "stock" W11 for a bit but then try
it. Or even just copy my VM and have it on one and not the other.

One benefit of macOS's file system is I can copy a multi-GB file and have it take essentially NO added space. Any changed made to each copy are saved to that copy.
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On 2025-10-21 01:12, Anonymous User wrote:

Just last week, Microsoft officially ended support for Windows 10,
pushing users to upgrade to its latest operating system Windows 11. That makes the timing of a recent Windows 11 issue very awkward for
Microsoft.

Unfortunately, Microsoft's most recent Windows 11 update appears to have caused problems with numerous different applications and hardware peripherals, according to a multiple reports from different outlets, including our sister site, CNET. Many devices using Windows 11 will now require a follow-up emergency update to fix issued caused by the
previous mandatory update.

The October Windows 11 update "breaks localhost (127.0.0.1) HTTP/2 connections," according to Windows Latest, which also listed a number of issues that users are facing. For example, apps that were hosted locally
were no longer able to connect to the network. Windows users were also finding that some hardware by Logitech was no longer working on their
PCs. In addition, some users reported that their mouse and keyboard
wouldn't work in WinRE (Windows Recovery Environment) and that File
Explorer document wouldn't open in the Preview pane due to a false
security issue.

Microsoft has since indicated that a fix is on the way in a subsequent
update for issues with Windows 11 KB5066835. The company says a patch is rolling out and users should continually check for an update. However,
it could take more than 48 hours for the update to finally show for some users.

Mashable previously reported on one of the last updates to Windows 10,
which caused issues that included frame rates dropping in games like Fortnite, making them near unplayable.

Windows 11 was released in 2021 and now holds nearly 50 percent of the marketshare. Its predecessor, Windows 10 was first released to the
public in 2015 and still holds 40 percent of the PC marketshare,
regardless of the fact that Microsoft ended support for the operating
system earlier this month.

As Microsoft looks to move those who have still yet to update their
operating system to Windows 11, this latest update bug couldn't have
come at a worse time. Microsoft is certainly looking to get that fix out
to everyone as soon as possible.

https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-windows-11-oct-2025-emergency-upda
te

--
Left unmentioned are the email forwarding that doesn't permit any changes, incorrect network interface enumeration, the lost GPUs that worked perfectly in Windows 10, but now are greyed out in Windows 11, the random .zip file extraction that doesn't work because of a permissions issue, the extra movements and clicks to perform basic tasks that should only be single- clicks, the horrible oversized rude dialogue windows that open for optional functions that were nice, neat and matched the formatting of the program
in use. There are dozens of others that indicate this version of Windows
is simply not ready for prime time.

Honestly, these kinds of problems should no longer surprise anyone. If anything, Windows users should use the operating system with the
expectation that a) the government or some corporation is spying on them
and b) things will fall apart at any moment.
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