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I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

But that trendy piece of shit Wayland does not support xterm.
This is no surprise as that fucking pile of junk Wayland
destroys oodles of extremely useful software.

Wayland, like communism, should have been strangled in the
cradle.

Whoever advocates Wayland should be burned at the stake.

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At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

[ snip rant about Wayland ]

Are you _ever_ happy?

Personally, I use xfce-terminal, with tabs on the bottom:

https://imgur.com/oRKd7OR

...and I note you did not provide a screenshot of your xterm. Tsk, tsk.
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xterm
992 pts/5 SN 0:00 9 560 16803 8772 0.1 xterm
1500 pts/4 SN 0:00 1 560 23131 15096 0.1 xterm

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep rxvt
925 tty1 S 0:00 45 1159 47072 12608 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
926 tty1 S 0:00 43 1159 47088 12640 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
927 tty1 S 0:00 36 1159 47072 12688 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
928 tty1 S 0:00 37 1159 46752 12500 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry 270x75+1920+1080
929 tty1 S 0:00 46 1159 46792 12404 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+1080
930 tty1 S 0:01 38 1159 46872 13648 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
931 tty1 S 0:02 40 1159 50968 28556 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+2160
932 tty1 S 0:01 42 1159 50972 26308 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+2160
934 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4084 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+1080
935 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4036 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry 270x75+1920+1080
936 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3968 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
937 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3924 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
938 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4056 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
939 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3904 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+2160
940 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4068 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
941 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4000 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+2160
1716 tty1 S 0:18 0 1159 25144 11928 0.1 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
1717 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4192 0.0 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
9689 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 85 1890 424 0.0 sh -c rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9690 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 25448 11948 0.1 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9691 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 16624 4200 0.0 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp

9 virtual desktops 8 running rxvt,
some xterms I use where rxvt has problems.
Maybe I should move all to xterms
Posting this from an rxvt as popup from my NewsFleX Usenet reader with 'joe' as text editor, ispell as spellshaker :-)

I use 'joe' editor in rxvts for writng code, emails, what not.
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Raspberry Pi4 8GB

Beep
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vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

[ snip rant about Wayland ]

Are you _ever_ happy?

Personally, I use xfce-terminal, with tabs on the bottom:

https://imgur.com/oRKd7OR

...and I note you did not provide a screenshot of your xterm. Tsk, tsk.

I'm in urxvt (rxvt-unicode) mode lately. With tmux.
Xfce4-terminal as a fallback.

Somehow get a blank page trying to look at your post....
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At Mon, 20 Oct 2025 11:31:35 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Somehow get a blank page trying to look at your post....

That's...weird.

I've scrutinized the article in three ways, and I don't see anything
that would prevent you from seeing it.

(Maybe it's the weird User-Agent: causing problems with slrn?)
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L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

XTerm ... \o/ ... TINA!
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At Mon, 20 Oct 2025 15:40:03 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

At Mon, 20 Oct 2025 11:31:35 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Somehow get a blank page trying to look at your post....

That's...weird.

I've scrutinized the article in three ways, and I don't see anything
that would prevent you from seeing it.

(Maybe it's the weird User-Agent: causing problems with slrn?)

https://imgur.com/OTOJ9uB

I don't know. Looks fine to me.

Any ideas?

$ slrn --version
slrn 1.0.3
S-Lang Library Version: 2.3.1
* Note: This program was compiled against version 2.3.3.
Operating System: NetBSD

COMPILE TIME OPTIONS:
Backends: +nntp -slrnpull -spool
External programs / libs: -canlock -inews +ssl -uudeview +iconv
Features: +decoding +emphasized_text +end_of_thread +fake_refs +gen_msgid
-grouplens -msgid_cache +piping +rnlock +spoilers -strict_from
Using 64 bit integers for article numbers.

DEFAULTS:
Default server object: nntp
Default posting mechanism: nntp
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vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote at 01:36 this Monday (GMT):

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

[ snip rant about Wayland ]

Are you _ever_ happy?

Personally, I use xfce-terminal, with tabs on the bottom:

https://imgur.com/oRKd7OR

...and I note you did not provide a screenshot of your xterm. Tsk, tsk.

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote at 01:36 this Monday (GMT):

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net>
wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the venerable
xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

[ snip rant about Wayland ]

Are you _ever_ happy?

Personally, I use xfce-terminal, with tabs on the bottom:

https://imgur.com/oRKd7OR

...and I note you did not provide a screenshot of your xterm. Tsk,
tsk.

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

I use Konsole on the Ubuntu and Fedora boxes, LXTerminal on the RPi 5, xfce-terminal of Debian, and Windows Terminal on Win11. The Lubuntu laptop isn't up but I believe that one is QTerminal.



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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on Fedora
the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.
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On 2025-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on Fedora
the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

I still have an Green monochrome Amdek monitor. I don't recall a scan
effect either. Cool Retro Term is fun, but the defaults overdo the CRT artifacts. Real monitors I've used had a more stable, clear picture.
The one thing that is hard to replicate, the the glow.

By the way, there is an installation in the Telstra building in my home
city (Telstra is a telecommunications company), where they have a scene
in an UFO, and are using real CRT's with random computer text. Pretty
cool.

As for terminals, I'm a long time urxvt user. Zutty and Xterm are nice,
but urxvt has served me well, and the simple tab feature works well for
me.
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On 2025-10-20, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote:

I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xterm
992 pts/5 SN 0:00 9 560 16803 8772 0.1 xterm
1500 pts/4 SN 0:00 1 560 23131 15096 0.1 xterm

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep rxvt
925 tty1 S 0:00 45 1159 47072 12608 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
926 tty1 S 0:00 43 1159 47088 12640 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
927 tty1 S 0:00 36 1159 47072 12688 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
928 tty1 S 0:00 37 1159 46752 12500 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry 270x75+1920+1080
929 tty1 S 0:00 46 1159 46792 12404 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+1080
930 tty1 S 0:01 38 1159 46872 13648 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
931 tty1 S 0:02 40 1159 50968 28556 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+2160
932 tty1 S 0:01 42 1159 50972 26308 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+2160
934 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4084 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+1080
935 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4036 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry 270x75+1920+1080
936 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3968 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
937 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3924 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
938 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4056 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
939 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3904 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+2160
940 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4068 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
941 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4000 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+2160
1716 tty1 S 0:18 0 1159 25144 11928 0.1 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
1717 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4192 0.0 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
9689 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 85 1890 424 0.0 sh -c rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9690 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 25448 11948 0.1 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9691 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 16624 4200 0.0 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe /root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp

9 virtual desktops 8 running rxvt,
some xterms I use where rxvt has problems.
Maybe I should move all to xterms
Posting this from an rxvt as popup from my NewsFleX Usenet reader with 'joe' as text editor, ispell as spellshaker :-)

I use 'joe' editor in rxvts for writng code, emails, what not.
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Raspberry Pi4 8GB

Beep

Have you looked into using rxvt-unicode (urxvt?). It has a daemon which
you can run, and clients can connect to it. It makes startup faster and
saves memory, though these days that probably doesn't matter. The other advantages is that it remains one process.
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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on Fedora
the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

I'm using the "murphy" colorscheme in vim and configured
.Xdefaults to use the same amber color in urxvt.

cool-retro-term takes me back to my days in grad school entering
reams of numbers fer the perfessors on a VT-100 keypad.
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Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-20, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote: >>>
I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xterm
992 pts/5 SN 0:00 9 560 16803 8772 0.1 xterm
1500 pts/4 SN 0:00 1 560 23131 15096 0.1 xterm

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep rxvt
925 tty1 S 0:00 45 1159 47072 12608 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
926 tty1 S 0:00 43 1159 47088 12640 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
927 tty1 S 0:00 36 1159 47072 12688 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
928 tty1 S 0:00 37 1159 46752 12500 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
929 tty1 S 0:00 46 1159 46792 12404 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
930 tty1 S 0:01 38 1159 46872 13648 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
931 tty1 S 0:02 40 1159 50968 28556 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
932 tty1 S 0:01 42 1159 50972 26308 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
934 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4084 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
935 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4036 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
936 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3968 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
937 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3924 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
938 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4056 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
939 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3904 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
940 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4068 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
941 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4000 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
1716 tty1 S 0:18 0 1159 25144 11928 0.1 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
1717 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4192 0.0 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
9689 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 85 1890 424 0.0 sh -c rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9690 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 25448 11948 0.1 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9691 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 16624 4200 0.0 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp

9 virtual desktops 8 running rxvt,
some xterms I use where rxvt has problems.
Maybe I should move all to xterms
Posting this from an rxvt as popup from my NewsFleX Usenet reader with 'joe' as text editor, ispell as spellshaker :-)

I use 'joe' editor in rxvts for writng code, emails, what not.
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Raspberry Pi4 8GB

Beep

Have you looked into using rxvt-unicode (urxvt?). It has a daemon which
you can run, and clients can connect to it. It makes startup faster and >saves memory, though these days that probably doesn't matter. The other >advantages is that it remains one process.

Just did a
man urxvt
Interesting, did not know about that, will give it a try
Thank you!
The manual alao say there exists a mlterm.

From the manual, quote:
RXVT-UNICODE VS. RXVT
Unlike the original rxvt, rxvt-unicode stores all text in Unicode internally.
That means it can store and display most scripts in the world.
Being a terminal emulator, however, some things are very difficult, especially cursive scripts such as arabic,
vertically written scripts like mongolian or scripts requiring extremely complex combining rules, like tibetan or devanagari.
Don't expect pretty output when using these scripts.
Most other scripts, latin, cyrillic, kanji, thai etc. should work fine, though.
A somewhat difficult case are right-to-left scripts, such as hebrew:
rxvt-unicode adopts the view that bidirectional algorithms belong in the application,
not the terminal emulator (too many things -- such as cursor-movement while editing -- break otherwise), but that might change.
If you are looking for a terminal that supports more exotic scripts, let me recommend "mlterm", which is a very user friendly,
lean and clean terminal emulator.
In fact, the reason rxvt-unicode was born was solely because the author couldn't get "mlterm" to use one font for latin1 and another for japanese.
Therefore another design rationale was the use of multiple fonts to display characters:
The idea of a single unicode font which many other programs force onto its users never made sense to me:
You should be able to choose any font for any script freely.
Apart from that, rxvt-unicode is also much better internationalised than its predecessor,
supports things such as XFT and ISO 14755 that are handy in i18n-environments, is faster, and has a lot bugs less than the original rxvt.
This all in addition to dozens of other small improvements.
It is still faithfully following the original rxvt idea of being lean and nice on resources: for example,
you can still configure rxvt-unicode without most of its features to get a lean binary.
It also comes with a client/daemon pair that lets you open any number of terminal windows from within a single process,
which makes startup time very fast and drastically reduces memory usage.
See urxvtd(1) (daemon) and urxvtc(1) (client).
It also makes technical information about escape sequences (which have been extended) more accessible:
see urxvt(7) for technical reference documentation (escape sequences etc.). end quote



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Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on Fedora
the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

I still have an Green monochrome Amdek monitor. I don't recall a scan
effect either. Cool Retro Term is fun, but the defaults overdo the CRT >artifacts. Real monitors I've used had a more stable, clear picture.
The one thing that is hard to replicate, the the glow.

By the way, there is an installation in the Telstra building in my home
city (Telstra is a telecommunications company), where they have a scene
in an UFO, and are using real CRT's with random computer text. Pretty
cool.

Ah yes, and analog video on my analog scope:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/scope_tv/index.html
:-)

In the old days I started with the Sinclair ZX80 connected to a BW portable TV as computer monitor that I added a video input to.

As for terminals, I'm a long time urxvt user. Zutty and Xterm are nice,
but urxvt has served me well, and the simple tab feature works well for
me.

One thing about rxvt and xterm:
I always use white background and black text.
That is less tiring to the eyes as the average screen brightness with text is more constant
so eyes do not have to adapt that much with changing text.
https://panteltje.nl/pub/usenet_editor_screen.gif

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 11:52:50 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

I still have an Green monochrome Amdek monitor. I don't recall a scan
effect either. Cool Retro Term is fun, but the defaults overdo the CRT artifacts. Real monitors I've used had a more stable, clear picture.
The one thing that is hard to replicate, the the glow.

Yeah, the slight distortion to mimic the slight curve of the CRT was also something a real terminal manufacturer would consider a real problem.

I was wondering about the glow effect. I didn't dig deep but Konsole seems
to limit the fore/background options. I don't know if you could get a glow effect with one of the virtual terminals that allow more control. It might require some sort of illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_contour



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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 12:59:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

In the old days I started with the Sinclair ZX80 connected to a BW
portable TV as computer monitor that I added a video input to.

I'd gotten one of those in the kit form. Like the $50 Borland Turbo Pascal compiler it was mostly curiosity about what $99 would buy. iirc the board needed a little rework. All the 40 x 25 TV monitor displays like CGA were underwhelming even after using a dinosaur like the ADM-3A.
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 08:16:57 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

I'm using the "murphy" colorscheme in vim and configured .Xdefaults to
use the same amber color in urxvt.

I've been using the default but 'retrobox' is close to how konsole is configured.
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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:07 this Tuesday (GMT):

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

CoolRetroTerm is one of my favorite toys to mess with. I know
xscreensaver's apple2 and phosphor screensavers can be run standalone
and pointed to run sh, too.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on Fedora
the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

It didn't?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 21:50:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:07 this Tuesday (GMT):

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

CoolRetroTerm is one of my favorite toys to mess with. I know
xscreensaver's apple2 and phosphor screensavers can be run standalone
and pointed to run sh, too.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on
Fedora the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

It didn't?

No. The real amber CRTs were solid amber background with black type and
rock steady. They didn't have the rolling effect the retro has. The retro
also seems to have a slight distortion to mimic the curve of the CRT that
the real ones didn't. It's a little too 'retro'.
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rbowman <bowman@montana.com>wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 12:59:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

In the old days I started with the Sinclair ZX80 connected to a BW
portable TV as computer monitor that I added a video input to.

I'd gotten one of those in the kit form. Like the $50 Borland Turbo Pascal >compiler it was mostly curiosity about what $99 would buy. iirc the board >needed a little rework. All the 40 x 25 TV monitor displays like CGA were >underwhelming even after using a dinosaur like the ADM-3A.

Before there was internet we had 'Teletext' (Videotext)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotex
access via a 1200 / 75 baud modem connected to the phone line.
There were several user groups, like now on internet.
After the ZX80 I got an ZX81, then I wanted to run CP/M programs from the Teletext CP/M user group on the ZX81.
So bought a 64 kB RAM module, build an EPROM programmer board for that ZX81, wrote stuff in Z80 asm and then added a floppy drive board,
an SRAM memory board, and wrote a CP/M clone:
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/index.html
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html
Did run the C80 C compiler on it.
By that time at work I was designing ISA cards for in the first IBM PCs..
Later worked in a big accelerator and met Unix..
When SLS Linux came in 1992 I started coding in C for that at home.





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On 2025-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 21:50:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:07 this Tuesday (GMT):

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

CoolRetroTerm is one of my favorite toys to mess with. I know
xscreensaver's apple2 and phosphor screensavers can be run standalone
and pointed to run sh, too.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on
Fedora the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

It didn't?

No. The real amber CRTs were solid amber background with black type and
rock steady. They didn't have the rolling effect the retro has. The retro also seems to have a slight distortion to mimic the curve of the CRT that the real ones didn't. It's a little too 'retro'.

That is true. The one I have, which still works, doesn't have any
rolling effect at all. I don't recall seeing that on a CRT screen, but
perhaps one which was faulty might have it.

In general, every CRT computer monitor I looked at was pretty steady.
Visual fidelity was much better than what CoolRetroTerm has. The only
real defect I would see could be a bit of blurring.
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On 2025-10-21, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-20, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote: >>>>
I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xterm
992 pts/5 SN 0:00 9 560 16803 8772 0.1 xterm
1500 pts/4 SN 0:00 1 560 23131 15096 0.1 xterm

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep rxvt
925 tty1 S 0:00 45 1159 47072 12608 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
926 tty1 S 0:00 43 1159 47088 12640 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
927 tty1 S 0:00 36 1159 47072 12688 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
928 tty1 S 0:00 37 1159 46752 12500 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
929 tty1 S 0:00 46 1159 46792 12404 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
930 tty1 S 0:01 38 1159 46872 13648 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
931 tty1 S 0:02 40 1159 50968 28556 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
932 tty1 S 0:01 42 1159 50972 26308 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
934 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4084 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
935 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4036 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
936 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3968 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
937 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3924 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
938 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4056 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
939 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3904 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
940 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4068 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
941 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4000 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
1716 tty1 S 0:18 0 1159 25144 11928 0.1 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
1717 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4192 0.0 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e /usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
9689 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 85 1890 424 0.0 sh -c rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9690 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 25448 11948 0.1 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9691 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 16624 4200 0.0 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp

9 virtual desktops 8 running rxvt,
some xterms I use where rxvt has problems.
Maybe I should move all to xterms
Posting this from an rxvt as popup from my NewsFleX Usenet reader with 'joe' as text editor, ispell as spellshaker :-)

I use 'joe' editor in rxvts for writng code, emails, what not.
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Raspberry Pi4 8GB

Beep

Have you looked into using rxvt-unicode (urxvt?). It has a daemon which >>you can run, and clients can connect to it. It makes startup faster and >>saves memory, though these days that probably doesn't matter. The other >>advantages is that it remains one process.

Just did a
man urxvt
Interesting, did not know about that, will give it a try
Thank you!
The manual alao say there exists a mlterm.

From the manual, quote:
RXVT-UNICODE VS. RXVT
Unlike the original rxvt, rxvt-unicode stores all text in Unicode internally.
That means it can store and display most scripts in the world.
Being a terminal emulator, however, some things are very difficult, especially cursive scripts such as arabic,
vertically written scripts like mongolian or scripts requiring extremely complex combining rules, like tibetan or devanagari.
Don't expect pretty output when using these scripts.
Most other scripts, latin, cyrillic, kanji, thai etc. should work fine, though.
A somewhat difficult case are right-to-left scripts, such as hebrew:
rxvt-unicode adopts the view that bidirectional algorithms belong in the application,
not the terminal emulator (too many things -- such as cursor-movement while editing -- break otherwise), but that might change.
If you are looking for a terminal that supports more exotic scripts, let me recommend "mlterm", which is a very user friendly,
lean and clean terminal emulator.
In fact, the reason rxvt-unicode was born was solely because the author couldn't get "mlterm" to use one font for latin1 and another for japanese.
Therefore another design rationale was the use of multiple fonts to display characters:
The idea of a single unicode font which many other programs force onto its users never made sense to me:
You should be able to choose any font for any script freely.
Apart from that, rxvt-unicode is also much better internationalised than its predecessor,
supports things such as XFT and ISO 14755 that are handy in i18n-environments, is faster, and has a lot bugs less than the original rxvt.
This all in addition to dozens of other small improvements.
It is still faithfully following the original rxvt idea of being lean and nice on resources: for example,
you can still configure rxvt-unicode without most of its features to get a lean binary.
It also comes with a client/daemon pair that lets you open any number of terminal windows from within a single process,
which makes startup time very fast and drastically reduces memory usage.
See urxvtd(1) (daemon) and urxvtc(1) (client).
It also makes technical information about escape sequences (which have been extended) more accessible:
see urxvt(7) for technical reference documentation (escape sequences etc.). end quote

mlterm doesn't appear to be available in the Debian repository.
Probably too old and obscures. RXVT itself is quite old.

Interstingly, RXVT was originally created by Rob Nation, who also
started FVWM, the Window Manager I use, so thanks to him for my
computing environment!

The daemon/client system works well, but if you accidently kill the
daemon, all the clients go with it.
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Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-20, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

vallor <vallor@vallor.earth>wrote:

At Sun, 19 Oct 2025 13:34:52 +0000, L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> wrote: >>>>>
I doubt that any of the distro lackeys on this NG use the
venerable xterm virtual terminal:

https://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.html

Lots of people, including me, use xterm as the VT of choice.

Name three.

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xterm
992 pts/5 SN 0:00 9 560 16803 8772 0.1 xterm
1500 pts/4 SN 0:00 1 560 23131 15096 0.1 xterm

raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep rxvt
925 tty1 S 0:00 45 1159 47072 12608 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
926 tty1 S 0:00 43 1159 47088 12640 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
927 tty1 S 0:00 36 1159 47072 12688 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
928 tty1 S 0:00 37 1159 46752 12500 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
929 tty1 S 0:00 46 1159 46792 12404 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
930 tty1 S 0:01 38 1159 46872 13648 0.1 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
931 tty1 S 0:02 40 1159 50968 28556 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
932 tty1 S 0:01 42 1159 50972 26308 0.3 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
934 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4084 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+1080
935 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4036 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -rv -geometry
270x75+1920+1080
936 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3968 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+3840+0
937 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3924 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+1080
938 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4056 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+0+2160
939 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 3904 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+1920+2160
940 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4068 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry 270x75+1920+0
941 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4000 0.0 /usr/bin/X11/rxvt -font 7x14 -ls -sl 10000 -geometry
270x75+3840+2160
1716 tty1 S 0:18 0 1159 25144 11928 0.1 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e
/usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
1717 tty1 S 0:00 0 1159 16624 4192 0.0 rxvt -geometry 16x2 -sl 500 -fn 7x14 -e
/usr/local/sbin/show_sensors
9689 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 85 1890 424 0.0 sh -c rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9690 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 25448 11948 0.1 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp
9691 pts/3 SN 0:00 0 1159 16624 4200 0.0 rxvt -geometry 80x28 -sl 500 -fn 10x20 -e joe
/root/.NewsFleX/postings/current/temp

9 virtual desktops 8 running rxvt,
some xterms I use where rxvt has problems.
Maybe I should move all to xterms
Posting this from an rxvt as popup from my NewsFleX Usenet reader with 'joe' as text editor, ispell as spellshaker :-)

I use 'joe' editor in rxvts for writng code, emails, what not.
raspberrypi: ~ # uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 5.15.32-v7l+ #1538 SMP Thu Mar 31 19:39:41 BST 2022 armv7l GNU/Linux
Raspberry Pi4 8GB

Beep

Have you looked into using rxvt-unicode (urxvt?). It has a daemon which >>>you can run, and clients can connect to it. It makes startup faster and >>>saves memory, though these days that probably doesn't matter. The other >>>advantages is that it remains one process.

Just did a
man urxvt
Interesting, did not know about that, will give it a try
Thank you!
The manual alao say there exists a mlterm.

From the manual, quote:
RXVT-UNICODE VS. RXVT
Unlike the original rxvt, rxvt-unicode stores all text in Unicode internally.
That means it can store and display most scripts in the world.
Being a terminal emulator, however, some things are very difficult, especially cursive scripts such as arabic,
vertically written scripts like mongolian or scripts requiring extremely complex combining rules, like tibetan or
devanagari.
Don't expect pretty output when using these scripts.
Most other scripts, latin, cyrillic, kanji, thai etc. should work fine, though.
A somewhat difficult case are right-to-left scripts, such as hebrew:
rxvt-unicode adopts the view that bidirectional algorithms belong in the application,
not the terminal emulator (too many things -- such as cursor-movement while editing -- break otherwise), but that might
change.
If you are looking for a terminal that supports more exotic scripts, let me recommend "mlterm", which is a very user
friendly,
lean and clean terminal emulator.
In fact, the reason rxvt-unicode was born was solely because the author couldn't get "mlterm" to use one font for latin1 and
another for japanese.
Therefore another design rationale was the use of multiple fonts to display characters:
The idea of a single unicode font which many other programs force onto its users never made sense to me:
You should be able to choose any font for any script freely.
Apart from that, rxvt-unicode is also much better internationalised than its predecessor,
supports things such as XFT and ISO 14755 that are handy in i18n-environments, is faster, and has a lot bugs less than the
original rxvt.
This all in addition to dozens of other small improvements.
It is still faithfully following the original rxvt idea of being lean and nice on resources: for example,
you can still configure rxvt-unicode without most of its features to get a lean binary.
It also comes with a client/daemon pair that lets you open any number of terminal windows from within a single process,
which makes startup time very fast and drastically reduces memory usage.
See urxvtd(1) (daemon) and urxvtc(1) (client).
It also makes technical information about escape sequences (which have been extended) more accessible:
see urxvt(7) for technical reference documentation (escape sequences etc.). >> end quote

mlterm doesn't appear to be available in the Debian repository.
Probably too old and obscures. RXVT itself is quite old.

Interstingly, RXVT was originally created by Rob Nation, who also
started FVWM, the Window Manager I use, so thanks to him for my
computing environment!

Yes I am using fvwm too, on all Linux systems I have.
except the laptop running Ubuntu now.
And xfm as file manager.
Never a problem.
raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep xfm
924 tty1 S 0:05 23 93 6490 4592 0.0 xfm -appmgr -geometry 1910x1054+0+0
raspberrypi: ~ # ps avx | grep fvwm
933 tty1 S 18:20 4 115 24988 23468 0.2 fvwm

Nine virtual desktops here, 1 with xfm, 8 with rxvt full screen,
nice for writing code,
ctrl cursor switches from one rxvt to the next or to my Usenet newsreader or Alsa mixer
or web browser or some stuff in mplayer started from a rxvt or xfm ..
whatever I am working on.
Always full screen for each.
It is all so simple!
I do use zsh as shell though, saves a lot of typing.
cursor up for memory and only need to give the first characters for memory recall
of what I did:

raspberrypi: ~ # cp
followed by cursor up for example gives:
cp -p links.txt* /mnt/sdc1/pantel/root/

The daemon/client system works well, but if you accidently kill the
daemon, all the clients go with it.

Sometimes I wonder what all the new stuff and changes ?

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Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid>wrote:

On 2025-10-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 21:50:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 02:07 this Tuesday (GMT):

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 20:49:56 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>>

On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:20:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

XFCE terminal is nice, but I personally use wezterm.

This was fun <https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term>.

CoolRetroTerm is one of my favorite toys to mess with. I know
xscreensaver's apple2 and phosphor screensavers can be run standalone
and pointed to run sh, too.

I had an amber terminal back in the day and liked it. At least on
Fedora the retro version has a slow scan effect the real one didn't.

It didn't?

No. The real amber CRTs were solid amber background with black type and
rock steady. They didn't have the rolling effect the retro has. The retro >> also seems to have a slight distortion to mimic the curve of the CRT that >> the real ones didn't. It's a little too 'retro'.

That is true. The one I have, which still works, doesn't have any
rolling effect at all. I don't recall seeing that on a CRT screen, but >perhaps one which was faulty might have it.

In general, every CRT computer monitor I looked at was pretty steady.
Visual fidelity was much better than what CoolRetroTerm has. The only
real defect I would see could be a bit of blurring.

I still have an old Samsung CRT color monitor stored in the attick
worked very wel last time I looked.
Consider it my personal particle accelerator,
it uses electron guns ;-)
But CRTs .. had a TV repair shop for some years.
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 11:28:45 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:

Interstingly, RXVT was originally created by Rob Nation, who also
started FVWM, the Window Manager I use, so thanks to him for my
computing environment!

FVWM is still around? I used that back in the day and switched to IceWM. I haven't thought too much about WMs for a couple of decades and take
whatever comes with the distro, KWin, Mutter, Xfwm, or whatever. Most of
the features of compositing managers are wasted on me but they work.

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 09:57:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

Before there was internet we had 'Teletext' (Videotext)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotex
access via a 1200 / 75 baud modem connected to the phone line.
There were several user groups, like now on internet.

After the classic BBSs with an acoustic coupler I went to Delphi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_(online_service)

with a real modem on the 2400 baud backbone. Delphi was slowly moving to
tying into the web world when I switched to a local provider. That was a
local dialup into a Unix shell account using TIA.

After the ZX80 I got an ZX81, then I wanted to run CP/M programs from
the Teletext CP/M user group on the ZX81.

I never got the ZX81. The Osborne 1 came out about the same time and was a portable (21 pounds) CP/M system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1

Portability was a real feature since I could take it to a client's site
and have all my tools/

Did run the C80 C compiler on it.

I used the BDS C compiler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDS_C

It was relatively fast but nothing like Borland's TurboPascal CP/M
version. That impressed me although I'm not fond of Pascal and never did anything serious with it.


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On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 12:25:09 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I still have an old Samsung CRT color monitor stored in the attick
worked very wel last time I looked.
Consider it my personal particle accelerator,
it uses electron guns ;-)

Fun fact: you can get nuclear fusion to happen with the right setup, with
gear like that. TV pioneer Philo T Farnsworth discovered that by accident, while working on colour TV. The gadget is called the “Farnsworth Fusor”. --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

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At Thu, 23 Oct 2025 00:04:48 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 12:25:09 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I still have an old Samsung CRT color monitor stored in the attick
worked very wel last time I looked.
Consider it my personal particle accelerator,
it uses electron guns ;-)

Fun fact: you can get nuclear fusion to happen with the right setup, with gear like that. TV pioneer Philo T Farnsworth discovered that by accident, while working on colour TV. The gadget is called the “Farnsworth Fusor”.

This is very true, and there are instructions for building your own fusion reactor on instructables.

I asked my wife once if I could build a fusion reactor in the basement. She said no.

BTW, if you don't adequately shield the neutron flux, I'm given to understand that you might have certain TLA's knocking at your door...
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