From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

It's not the keyboard. I can access the BIOS setup and BOOT menu just
fine. I can boot a USB OS, Windows 10 PE, Linux anything, Tails, etc. and
the keyboard works fine until booting Windows 11.

You can remove the keyboard and HIDs one time and reboot. It might work
okay one time after that until a power off, then the keyboard is dead
again when Windows boots. Plugging in a USB keyboard works.

What a piece of shit OS. I may go back to Windows 10. Thank the lords I imaged the disk before the upgrade.

This is off-shore Indian programming at work folks.

--
PS, it also seems to have affected loopback in some mysterious way.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 10/17/2025 3:46 PM, Ungrateful User wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

It's not the keyboard. I can access the BIOS setup and BOOT menu just
fine. I can boot a USB OS, Windows 10 PE, Linux anything, Tails, etc. and the keyboard works fine until booting Windows 11.

You can remove the keyboard and HIDs one time and reboot. It might work
okay one time after that until a power off, then the keyboard is dead
again when Windows boots. Plugging in a USB keyboard works.

What a piece of shit OS. I may go back to Windows 10. Thank the lords I imaged the disk before the upgrade.

This is off-shore Indian programming at work folks.

It's been awhile since I was in India and spent the better part of a
week interacting with IT/CS/CE students. If memory serves me correctly,
they were on the average much better than our US crop.

You should keep in mind that most programming work done off shore is meet-this-spec-for-this-much money. The programmers are not paid to
embellish the design nor are they blamed if the design is flawed.

You might remember approximately 20 years ago there was a big problem
with Boeing 747 where bulkheads were cracking. It was in all the papers,
the fleets of various airlines were grounded and subjected to critical inspections, etc. What most irate citizens did not know was that the
failing sections of the aircraft were not manufactured by Boeing;
Northrop Grumman made them yet they were not criticized by a single knowledgeable source.

"Why not?" you may ask. The answer is that Northrop Grumman met or
exceeded every specification required by their contract with Boeing. Not
only that, Boeing had bestowed "best subcontractor" monetary awards
almost ever year on Northrop Grumman for their outstanding performance.

I agree that Windows 10 and most other M$ products are pieces of shit
but don't blame the wrong party. My private feeling is that M$ is
actually not to blame for anything: since they don't seem to thoroughly document proper behavior of any of their products how do you know what
is an error and what is not? On the other hand, I do blame them for
their execrable attitude toward competition and customers. They fact
that they may be exploiting pockets of cheap Asian labor is M$'s sin,
not those who are being exploited.
--
Jeff Barnett

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On Oct 17, 2025 at 5:46:12 PM EDT, "Ungrateful User" <ridiculous@microsoft.com> wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

That's nothing. On June 26, 1981 when I installed Linux I lost my job, my apartment, my car, and my girlfriend Anita. I was so bummed out that I was forced to join the Army with Harold Ramis.

I swear its true!
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 2025-10-17, Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

On Oct 17, 2025 at 5:46:12 PM EDT, "Ungrateful User"
<ridiculous@microsoft.com> wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

That's nothing. On June 26, 1981 when I installed Linux I lost my job, my apartment, my car, and my girlfriend Anita. I was so bummed out that I was forced to join the Army with Harold Ramis.

I swear its true!

Did you drive a UAV?
(Urban Assault Vehicle)

LOL!
--
pothead

"Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
Then our choices make us."
-- Anne Frank
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On Oct 17, 2025 at 7:22:12 PM EDT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-17, Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

On Oct 17, 2025 at 5:46:12 PM EDT, "Ungrateful User"
<ridiculous@microsoft.com> wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

That's nothing. On June 26, 1981 when I installed Linux I lost my job, my >> apartment, my car, and my girlfriend Anita. I was so bummed out that I was >> forced to join the Army with Harold Ramis.

I swear its true!

Did you drive a UAV?
(Urban Assault Vehicle)

LOL!

Not only that, I gave P. J. Soles the Aunt Jemima Treatment on the General's stove. All thanks to Linux.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 2025-10-17, Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

On Oct 17, 2025 at 7:22:12 PM EDT, "pothead" <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-17, Johnny LaRue <xxxxxx@yyyyyy.zzz> wrote:

On Oct 17, 2025 at 5:46:12 PM EDT, "Ungrateful User"
<ridiculous@microsoft.com> wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

That's nothing. On June 26, 1981 when I installed Linux I lost my job, my >>> apartment, my car, and my girlfriend Anita. I was so bummed out that I was >>> forced to join the Army with Harold Ramis.

I swear its true!

Did you drive a UAV?
(Urban Assault Vehicle)

LOL!

Not only that, I gave P. J. Soles the Aunt Jemima Treatment on the General's stove. All thanks to Linux.

ROTFLMAO!!!!
--
pothead

"Our lives are fashioned by our choices. First we make our choices.
Then our choices make us."
-- Anne Frank
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On Fri, 10/17/2025 5:46 PM, Ungrateful User wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

It's not the keyboard. I can access the BIOS setup and BOOT menu just
fine. I can boot a USB OS, Windows 10 PE, Linux anything, Tails, etc. and the keyboard works fine until booting Windows 11.

You can remove the keyboard and HIDs one time and reboot. It might work okay one time after that until a power off, then the keyboard is dead
again when Windows boots. Plugging in a USB keyboard works.

What a piece of shit OS. I may go back to Windows 10. Thank the lords I imaged the disk before the upgrade.

This is off-shore Indian programming at work folks.

--
PS, it also seems to have affected loopback in some mysterious way.

Since it seems to have affected only your keyboard, and not
anyone else here, my guess is the Indians got together and
made a "special" version for you. Circle the wagons :-)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Indian_Head_Test_Pattern_with_Labels.png

The Touchpad on a laptop, before it gets any driver, is a HID
and looks like a mouse. Once the generic HID driver installs,
then the Synaptics touchpad driver installs as a "filter driver".
As an UpperFilter, it examines the (X,Y) coordinate stream, and
implements virtual features as you use the Touchpad. It is the one
driver stack, with "things at two different altitudes".

Sometimes, the activity related to Touchpad, upsets other
HID devices. One Touchpad driver (released by Microsoft as a
driver update), the PNP filter in the .INF was wrong and it
was set up to bind to everything HID. It nearly bricked
the fleet. The driver was pulled within 24 hours once they
figured out it was damaging stuff.

Windows Update has a History item, check in there and see
if a recent driver and its time stamp, correlate with your
troubles. See if a Touchpad driver came in (recently).
Most of the time, generic keyboard and mouse drivers,
those have not been updated in decades. It's only sniping
from unrelated things, that could break the basics.

I cannot give you a "solid" recipe for fixing this. Isn't
that neat ? On older OSes, I could tell you to do some certain
stuff, but a lack of discipline at Microsoft means the methods
no longer guarantee a damn thing. It's more a matter of feeling
in the dark now, to fix those. I can't promise a Repair Install
would do it, since drivers start installing half way through
the four phases of a Repair Install. And we don't know what
percentage of the (distributed now) ENUM tree is just verbatim
copied, instead of being built from scratch. Certain migration
activities have changed. Migration is taking less time, which
suggests the beneficial properties of a Repair Install may not
suffice. You would check by running "winver.exe", what DVD ISO
to use for the Repair Install (keeps user data and user programs).

There's no point me quoting recipes, unless they're solid.
Just like I don't fire a "DISM and SFC" at people, as we're
kinda out of the era where that helps. That's an example of
something web sites whip out when the suggestion is
ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE. I looked at a web page yesterday,
in search of a fix, and as soon as I saw "DISM and SFC" on
the web page, I muttered "oh FFS" and closed the web page instantly.
I hate it when "I have a hangnail..." the response is
"you should try DISM and SFC". There has to be a sign something
those relate to, calls for their usage. Your reported pattern
suggests a driver mis-install, instead of a driver file being
entirely missing and needing to be pulled from a driver cache
by SFC. Something needs to pave all the drivers, and
do re-detection so the drivers are installed properly.

Paul
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 23:13:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

Since it seems to have affected only your keyboard, and not anyone else
here, my guess is the Indians got together and made a "special" version
for you. Circle the wagons

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/16/windows_11_update_localhost

For a more impressive screw-up... It mostly affects developers but there
are some admin tools that connect to a web service using localhost. I'm
glad I was tardy applying the patch this week. I think I'll wait a bit.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

D wrote:

headers look correct

currently using windows 11 25h2 on intel i3 3.7 ghz / 8 gb ram pc, no problem and most importantly omnimix runs flawlessly . . . most of the other freeware that i regularly use is also available in linux versions, omnimix is the only program that i use routinely which requires windows in order to work normally (some newsreaders have linux versions and/or might have limited functionality)

I had no problems with anything until the October update. YAMN_Remailer_Client
no longer works reliably. It hangs during sending. When it's terminated, all the mail in the pool is sent out by socat.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 10/18/25 10:24 AM, anon wrote:

D wrote:

headers look correct

currently using windows 11 25h2 on intel i3 3.7 ghz / 8 gb ram pc, no problem
and most importantly omnimix runs flawlessly . . . most of the other freeware
that i regularly use is also available in linux versions, omnimix is the only
program that i use routinely which requires windows in order to work normally
(some newsreaders have linux versions and/or might have limited functionality)

I had no problems with anything until the October update. YAMN_Remailer_Client
no longer works reliably. It hangs during sending. When it's terminated, all
the mail in the pool is sent out by socat.

I would avoid YAMN, because it's insecure software, Zax has created.
Better ask inwtx if he fixed the issues with YAMN (0.2.7), bypassing
Tor.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 18/10/2025 9:17 am, Johnny LaRue wrote:

On Oct 17, 2025 at 5:46:12 PM EDT, "Ungrateful User" <ridiculous@microsoft.com> wrote:

It was working fine until the October update, now the laptop keyboard
doesn't work when booted into Windows 11.

That's nothing. On June 26, 1981 when I installed Linux I lost my job, my apartment, my car, and my girlfriend Anita. I was so bummed out that I was forced to join the Army with Harold Ramis.

I swear its true!

WHAT?? Are you Linus Torvalds in disguise??

But, then again, even Linus didn't come up with Linux until 1991 or so.

Maybe you just took your time before releasing Linux to the World!! ;-P
--
Daniel70
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

headers look correct

currently using windows 11 25h2 on intel i3 3.7 ghz / 8 gb ram pc,

no problem

and most importantly omnimix runs flawlessly . . . most of the

other freeware

that i regularly use is also available in linux versions, omnimix

is the only

program that i use routinely which requires windows in order to

work normally

(some newsreaders have linux versions and/or might have limited functionality)

I had no problems with anything until the October update. YAMN_Remailer_Client
no longer works reliably. It hangs during sending. When it's

terminated, all

the mail in the pool is sent out by socat.

I would avoid YAMN, because it's insecure software, Zax has created.
Better ask inwtx if he fixed the issues with YAMN (0.2.7), bypassing
Tor.

I don't have anything to do with the programming of YAMN.

inwtx

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

On 19 Oct 2025, Anonymous User <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> posted some news:20251019.234651.e88fa424@dirge.harmsk.com:

headers look correct

currently using windows 11 25h2 on intel i3 3.7 ghz / 8 gb ram pc,

no problem

and most importantly omnimix runs flawlessly . . . most of the

other freeware

that i regularly use is also available in linux versions, omnimix

is the only

program that i use routinely which requires windows in order to

work normally

(some newsreaders have linux versions and/or might have limited

functionality)

I had no problems with anything until the October update.

YAMN_Remailer_Client

no longer works reliably. It hangs during sending. When it's

terminated, all

the mail in the pool is sent out by socat.

I would avoid YAMN, because it's insecure software, Zax has created.
Better ask inwtx if he fixed the issues with YAMN (0.2.7), bypassing
Tor.

I don't have anything to do with the programming of YAMN.

I still use the YAMN and MiniMailer clients you wrote. They both work
fine with Windows 11. Thanks for both.

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2

From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

On 19 Oct 2025, Anonymous User <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> posted some >news:20251019.234651.e88fa424@dirge.harmsk.com:

headers look correct

currently using windows 11 25h2 on intel i3 3.7 ghz / 8 gb ram pc,

no problem

and most importantly omnimix runs flawlessly . . . most of the

other freeware

that i regularly use is also available in linux versions, omnimix

is the only

program that i use routinely which requires windows in order to

work normally

(some newsreaders have linux versions and/or might have limited

functionality)

I had no problems with anything until the October update.

YAMN_Remailer_Client

no longer works reliably. It hangs during sending. When it's

terminated, all

the mail in the pool is sent out by socat.

I would avoid YAMN, because it's insecure software, Zax has created.
Better ask inwtx if he fixed the issues with YAMN (0.2.7), bypassing
Tor.

I don't have anything to do with the programming of YAMN.

I still use the YAMN and MiniMailer clients you wrote. They both work
fine with Windows 11. Thanks for both.

Does INWTX have anything to do with the MiniMailer hack?

And, referring to Claashole's demagogic ranting above, to make that
clear once and for all,

- YAMN PACKET CREATION IS SAFE!
- TYPE II REMAILING IS THE MOST SECURE ANONYMIZATION METHOD WE HAVE!

Thanks Elvis, thanks Steve, thanks Richard, thanks Christian!

--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2