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On 2024-09-03 23:07, Ruvim wrote:

On 2024-09-03 10:50, Anton Ertl wrote:

Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:

Do you know practical cases of using "include-file" in programs?

One way I am thinking about is to implement INCLUDED etc.  Systems
deal differently with relative filenames for INCLUDED, with less
differences for OPEN-FILE.  So if I want to implement a certain
handling of relative filenames for INCLUDED in order to get rid of
system differences, one way to do it is to do it for OPEN-FILE and
then perform INCLUDE-FILE.

Yes, overriding the system's file search mechanism used by "included" is
a very interesting idea!

Another possible reason to not use `INCLUDED`:

| INCLUDED may allocate memory in data space before
| it starts interpreting the file.

So if this effect is unacceptable (for example, if you include part of a definition), then the solution is `INCLUDE-FILE`.


Also, `REQUIRED` does not load a file that was loaded by `INCLUDED`. `INCLUDE-FILE` is free of that too.


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Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:

Also, `REQUIRED` does not load a file that was loaded by `INCLUDED`. >`INCLUDE-FILE` is free of that too.

Yes, but why would anyone use REQUIRED or REQUIRE on a file that he
intends to include even if it has been INCLUDED before?

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In article <2024Oct24.083233@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:

Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:

Also, `REQUIRED` does not load a file that was loaded by `INCLUDED`. >>`INCLUDE-FILE` is free of that too.

Yes, but why would anyone use REQUIRED or REQUIRE on a file that he
intends to include even if it has been INCLUDED before?

Making use of the idempotent behaviour of REQUIRE ?

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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:11:25 +0000, Ruvim wrote:

Do you know practical cases of using "include-file" in programs?

I remember a script for reading csv data files with INCLUDE-FILE.
The interpreter (parser) was slightly modified for this.
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On 2024-10-24 10:32, Anton Ertl wrote:

Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:

Also, `REQUIRED` does not load a file that was loaded by `INCLUDED`.
`INCLUDE-FILE` is free of that too.

Yes, but why would anyone use REQUIRED or REQUIRE on a file that he
intends to include even if it has been INCLUDED before?

This can be in different modules, and one module does not know about
details of another.

If you include a file into a separate word list within a special
context, you might not want to prevent that file from being loaded by `require` into another word list (and in another context).


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On 2024-10-24 16:44, minforth wrote:

On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:11:25 +0000, Ruvim wrote:

Do you know practical cases of using "include-file" in programs?

I remember a script for reading csv data files with INCLUDE-FILE.
The interpreter (parser) was slightly modified for this.

Why wasn't `INCLUDED` suitable?


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It was opened in read/write mode to read or append new sections.
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Hi Marcel, the Mac Cocoa interface for i4 uses INCLUDE-FILE to deal with
code pasted in the OS clipboard. BTW same for VFX and VFX64. I needed a portable/standard word, 'et voila'.
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 8:29:44 +0000, rt wrote:

Hi Marcel, the Mac Cocoa interface for i4 uses INCLUDE-FILE
to deal with code pasted in the OS clipboard. BTW same for
VFX and VFX64. I needed a portable/standard word, 'et voila'.

Hi Roelf: not enough information. Isn't the file-id for the clipboard
acquired in a non-standard way then?

iForth's console already accepts multi-line text pasted in its
window. In SwiftForth the pasted text seems to have a fixed (small)
length. I don't receive VFX updates anymore (I probably said something offensive), so can't try.

There could be a few issues with a portable solution :--)

-marcel
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On 9 Nov 2024 at 13:06:19 CET, "mhx" <mhx> wrote:

I don't receive VFX updates anymore (I probably said something
offensive), so can't try.

Now that all products are freely downloadable for non-commercial use,
all you need to do is to download the latest versions from:
https://vfxforth.com/downloads/VfxCommunity/

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On 10/11/2024 5:13 am, Stephen Pelc wrote:

On 9 Nov 2024 at 13:06:19 CET, "mhx" <mhx> wrote:

I don't receive VFX updates anymore (I probably said something
offensive), so can't try.

Now that all products are freely downloadable for non-commercial use,
all you need to do is to download the latest versions from:
https://vfxforth.com/downloads/VfxCommunity/

Stephen

Any resolution to the problem of switching fp packs under Win x64
corrupting the GUI? A rebuild of the system using the desired fp
pack would likely work but that's a task in itself.


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<quote>
There could be a few issues with a portable solution :--)
</quote>

:-)

The Cocoa interface runs in CarbonMacForth(2008), iForth(2009), SwiftForth(2010) and VFX(2012).
Kind of recall, the Cocoa, not UNIX/Darwin, clipboard interface was
implemented in 2010, 14 years ago! At the time not seen any remarks
about the standard INCLUDE-FILE.
And it still works...

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