• Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Wed Jan 7 21:52:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    Documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvyjbWkTyU

    John Backus and other FORTRAN creators speaking about the development of
    the language and the compiler.

    Preserved written history of FORTRAN:
    https://softwarepreservation.computerhistory.org/FORTRAN/

    Stolen from
    https://www.reddit.com/r/fortran/

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Fri Jan 9 15:09:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 1/7/2026 9:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    Documentary:
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvyjbWkTyU

    John Backus and other FORTRAN creators speaking about the development of
    the language and the compiler.

    Preserved written history of FORTRAN:
       https://softwarepreservation.computerhistory.org/FORTRAN/

    Stolen from
       https://www.reddit.com/r/fortran/

    Lynn

    I started writing software in Fortran in 1975, thought it the best thing
    since sliced bread. Then I learned Pascal in 1983 (Turbo Pascal). Then
    I learned C in 1986 (Turbo C).

    Lynn

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Fri Jan 9 21:40:08 2026
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    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:09:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    I started writing software in Fortran in 1975, thought it the best
    thing since sliced bread. Then I learned Pascal in 1983 (Turbo
    Pascal). Then I learned C in 1986 (Turbo C).

    1975 was probably about the time I first encountered actual lines of
    Fortran code (though not a computer to run them on). This was in the Encyclopedia Britannica article on computers.

    Then I got hold of a book called “The Compleat Cybernaut”, by Anna
    Burke Harris. It was a pretty comprehensive introduction to Fortran. I
    remember the bio mentioned that the author was living in a city where
    she was the only practising blacksmith. I devoured that in a weekend.

    Later, I found another book, called “Programming in POP-2”. The
    concepts of non-numerical programming, lists, structures etc -- way
    beyond anything Fortran had -- just blew my mind. Also it was
    stack-based.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to comp.lang.fortran on Fri Jan 9 22:16:17 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    Documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvyjbWkTyU

    Nice video - seeing the peole that I read about in "Abstracting Away
    The Machine" (which I thoroughly recommend).

    John Backus and other FORTRAN creators speaking about the development of
    the language and the compiler.

    The job they did was absolutely amazing - almost inventing
    everything from scratch.
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Fri Jan 9 19:33:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 1/9/2026 3:40 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:09:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    I started writing software in Fortran in 1975, thought it the best
    thing since sliced bread. Then I learned Pascal in 1983 (Turbo
    Pascal). Then I learned C in 1986 (Turbo C).

    1975 was probably about the time I first encountered actual lines of
    Fortran code (though not a computer to run them on). This was in the Encyclopedia Britannica article on computers.

    Then I got hold of a book called “The Compleat Cybernaut”, by Anna
    Burke Harris. It was a pretty comprehensive introduction to Fortran. I remember the bio mentioned that the author was living in a city where
    she was the only practising blacksmith. I devoured that in a weekend.

    Later, I found another book, called “Programming in POP-2”. The
    concepts of non-numerical programming, lists, structures etc -- way
    beyond anything Fortran had -- just blew my mind. Also it was
    stack-based.

    My father started a chemical engineering software company in 1968. In
    May of 1975, he asked what I was doing that summer between my freshman
    and sophomore years in high school. I said watching tv and reading
    scifi books. "Nope, you are going to work for one of my programmers",
    my dad said.

    So I was the keypuncher for Sun Fu, a Chemical Engineer PhD. Sun Fu
    would write an algorithm on the back on a piece or two of printout
    paper. I would keypunch the algorithm in Fortran 66, get the subroutine
    to compile cleanly on the time share Univac 1108, and deliver the card
    deck to Sun Fu. Dad paid me $2.00 per hour. I should have paid him.

    I knew Sun Fu well. He lived with us for a year in Houston in 1973
    after he got his PhD at the University Of Oklahoma where my Dad had
    taught Chemical Engineering from 1963 to 1968. Sun Fu was one of my
    Dad's best grad students, an incredibly smart guy from mainland China.

    Lynn

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sat Jan 10 04:09:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 19:33:27 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    So I was the keypuncher for Sun Fu, a Chemical Engineer PhD. Sun Fu
    would write an algorithm on the back on a piece or two of printout
    paper. I would keypunch the algorithm in Fortran 66, get the
    subroutine to compile cleanly on the time share Univac 1108, and
    deliver the card deck to Sun Fu.

    In the summer job I had at the end of my first year, I was writing
    Fortran code to model sawing up a log for planks or peeling it for
    plywood. I started by submitting coding forms to the data entry
    operators, as per recommended practice, but the cards came back full
    of typos (“1” for “I”, “O” for “0” etc).

    There was a 129 keypunch in the room where you submitted jobs, which
    was meant to be used by ordinary users for quick corrections only. I
    started using it to punch all my own cards. Once the operators
    realized I could do my program entry as fast as they could (and more accurately), we came to an agreement that I would give up my place
    every few minutes and go round again, to give others in the queue a
    chance.
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  • From David Meyer@papa@sdf.org to comp.lang.fortran on Sat Jan 10 15:54:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    Then I got hold of a book called “The Compleat Cybernaut”, by Anna
    Burke Harris.

    That's a great title. Amazon listing prices make it look like a real collector's item.

    Later, I found another book, called “Programming in POP-2”.

    That looks interesting, too. It looks like it's still available in the
    form of POP-11/Poplog.
    --
    David Meyer
    Takarazuka, Japan
    papa@sdf.org
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to comp.lang.fortran on Sat Jan 10 21:20:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> schrieb:
    On 1/7/2026 9:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    Documentary:
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvyjbWkTyU

    John Backus and other FORTRAN creators speaking about the development of
    the language and the compiler.

    Preserved written history of FORTRAN:
       https://softwarepreservation.computerhistory.org/FORTRAN/

    Stolen from
       https://www.reddit.com/r/fortran/

    Lynn

    I started writing software in Fortran in 1975, thought it the best thing since sliced bread. Then I learned Pascal in 1983 (Turbo Pascal). Then
    I learned C in 1986 (Turbo C).

    I started out on my father's programmable calculator (Casio,
    38 steps). Enough for factorization. Then, a better programmable
    calculator, also Casio, the FX 602-P. In parallel, a C64 (starting
    1983?) using Basic and a bit of assembler. Then, Turbo Pascal and
    some Modula-2 on the Atari ST, plus Fortran as a student, starting
    around 1987 (on IBM-compatible mainframes, later vector computers).
    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in
    C and various script languages, especially Perl.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sat Jan 10 21:27:45 2026
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    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?

    In those days, “scripting” meant “interpreted”, which in turn meant “slow”. Perl managed to break the mould by compiling to an
    intermediate byte-code form, which made it fast enough to be a real productivity booster for many common quick-and-dirty programming
    tasks.

    I would point to Perl as the start of the wave of “metaprogramming” languages (by which he meant “very-high-level” languages) that Fred
    Brooks predicted in the final edition of his classic book “The
    Mythical Man-Month”.

    His own proposed example, AppleScript, is probably best forgotten.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to comp.lang.fortran on Sat Jan 10 21:47:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?

    I actually started out with awk, which preceded Perl (I did
    not mention that because I mainly switched to Perl once it was
    available, but I will use awk '/foo/ { print $1,$3 }' style of
    scripts every now and then.

    awk actually has the same logic as RPG, but is many orders of
    magnitudes saner.


    In those days, “scripting” meant “interpreted”, which in turn meant “slow”. Perl managed to break the mould by compiling to an
    intermediate byte-code form, which made it fast enough to be a real productivity booster for many common quick-and-dirty programming
    tasks.

    I think the same applies to awk.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 11 03:55:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:47:15 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> schrieb:

    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in
    C and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?

    I actually started out with awk, which preceded Perl ...

    Yeah, but Perl does everything awk does, just as concisely, and more.

    So yes, at the time people were pushing awk as some kind of
    general-purpose high-level language, we already had Perl.

    Tcl might have been another possibility, but I think Perl had less bad
    syntax. ;)
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  • From pa@pa@see.signature.invalid (Pierre Asselin) to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 11 20:24:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of ?scripting? at the time?

    awk and sed, called from shell scripts.

    Of course if you blend shell, sed and awk, you get perl 4.
    --
    pa at panix dot com
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 11:46:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:09:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/7/2026 9:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Short documentary streamed in 1982 for the 25th anniversary of FORTRAN.

    Documentary:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXvyjbWkTyU

    John Backus and other FORTRAN creators speaking about the development of
    the language and the compiler.

    Preserved written history of FORTRAN:
    https://softwarepreservation.computerhistory.org/FORTRAN/

    Stolen from
    https://www.reddit.com/r/fortran/

    Lynn

    Thank you very much for this nice, no-fluff video.
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 11:59:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:09:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:


    I started writing software in Fortran in 1975, thought it the best thing >since sliced bread. Then I learned Pascal in 1983 (Turbo Pascal). Then
    I learned C in 1986 (Turbo C).

    Lynn

    I first came across Fortran (IV) in 1975 at the Indian Institute of
    Technolgy (Bombay). I would say that we were were taught
    "Theoretical Fortran" as we were taught the sytax in class and
    our exercises, homework and tests consisted of code written
    on paper and submitted for evaluation. No actual running of
    the programmes as the IBM 360 was doing much more
    important work! It was very much like learning maths, physics
    or chemistry (but without any lab work!).

    In 1976, I got into actual programming on an IBM 370 at
    Indiana University. My bible was, and remained, Daniel
    McCracken's " A Guide to Fortran IV Programming" till
    F77 came by. Then, work took a turn and I got more
    and more involved with PV Wave as the integrated
    graphics was what was needed on the jo -- which
    also meant dealing with Matlab. But, there were quite
    a few problems that were still Fortran based till the end
    of my hardcore, numberica, programming days around 2010.



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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 12:09:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Sun, 11 Jan 2026 20:24:21 -0000 (UTC), pa@see.signature.invalid
    (Pierre Asselin) wrote:

    Sorry to use this NG for a private message, but I would like say
    hello to a long lost contact.



    Pierre, Great to see your name again after many, many years.

    I met you in Santa Barbara (around 1980, I guess) when you
    were in AMC, working with Vince Kelly. I was a friend of Bob Gray
    and Victor del Prado. I was doing my PhD at UCSB at that time
    and we exchanged some email after I graduated and joined
    Xerox. Victor and I sometimes talk about you and wonder
    what you are up to.

    Hope all is well with you. Happy New Year!

    No, the email will not work, but do let me know if you would
    like mine .... and the real name!





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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 19:42:26 2026
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    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 11:59:54 -0500, Charlie Roberts wrote:

    Then, work took a turn and I got more and more involved with PV Wave
    as the integrated graphics was what was needed on the jo -- which
    also meant dealing with Matlab. But, there were quite a few problems
    that were still Fortran based till the end of my hardcore,
    numberica, programming days around 2010.

    MATLAB is, or was, written in Fortran. Out of curiosity, I looked up
    PV-Wave -- looks like the kind of thing you would do in NumPy these
    days. Similarly in place of MATLAB you could use NumPy with
    Matplotlib.

    I did a GUI programming job in MATLAB once. Trying to fit GUI
    functionality on top of a language primarily designed to work with arrays/matrices was ... an experience I would not like to repeat.
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 15:08:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DOliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 11:59:54 -0500, Charlie Roberts wrote:



    MATLAB is, or was, written in Fortran. Out of curiosity, I looked up
    PV-Wave -- looks like the kind of thing you would do in NumPy these
    days. Similarly in place of MATLAB you could use NumPy with
    Matplotlib.

    I believe that IDL/PV Wave also have their genesis in Fortran. While
    the integrated graphics was the primary push for the partial
    migration to PV Wave, the vector nature won a lot of engineers
    towards that platform. Still, as I said, there were problems that
    were for the Fortran (and later C++) people.

    I did a GUI programming job in MATLAB once. Trying to fit GUI
    functionality on top of a language primarily designed to work with >arrays/matrices was ... an experience I would not like to repeat.

    Agreed, if you really want a very smooth GUI. The last real job
    I did was for a real time data acquistion scanner and I had to
    learn LabView. Though I ended up writing real code for the
    most part, I did do some GUI. Much better than Matlab.

    But, we are a long way from where this thread started. If I
    had to write a quick programme now, I guess I will tend to
    head towards Fortran!

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 13 22:22:04 2026
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    On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 15:08:38 -0500, Charlie Roberts wrote:

    If I had to write a quick programme now, I guess I will tend to head
    towards Fortran!

    If you want something good for “scratchpad” programming (maximum
    results with just a few quick lines sof code), I would recommend
    Jupyter notebooks. Built on Python, together with toolkits like NumPy,
    Pandas, Matplotlib and a bunch of others.

    You know how, back in the day, BASIC was famed for its immediacy? Boot
    your PC straight into the BASIC ROM: type a line without a line number
    and it executes at once. Put a line number on the front and it gets
    added to your program in memory.

    Jupyter gives you that same immediacy, only in a more advanced form --
    each cell can hold multiple lines of code, and you don’t need line
    numbers. And you have rich output -- graphics, sound, video -- and
    also some basic interactive widgets with minimal effort.
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  • From LC's No-Spam Newsreading account@nospam@home.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 18 17:06:35 2026
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    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    On HP RTE-6 VM there were "transfer files" with some two-letter control statements. On IBM VM/CMS one could write scripts in EXEC, then EXEC2,
    and later REXX (REXX is still kicking and alive). On VAX VMS "command
    files" where written in DCL (Digital Command Language).

    I was exposed to all of them (and of course a lot of Fortran).
    Cannot remember what was used on PDP 11, I had a limited exposure.

    At least in astronomy, dedicated scripting languages were implemented in
    some data analysis environents, usually mimicking those of the OS under
    which they ran.

    So e.g. ESO IHAP had something mimicking HP TR files, ESO MIDAS
    mimicking VAX DCL, amd NOAO IRAF (running on VMS and Unix) a "cl" of its
    own.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 18 21:00:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:06:35 +0100, LC's No-Spam Newsreading account
    wrote:

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    In those days, “scripting” meant “interpreted”, which in turn meant “slow”. Perl managed to break the mould by compiling to an
    intermediate byte-code form, which made it fast enough to be a real productivity booster for many common quick-and-dirty programming
    tasks.

    I would point to Perl as the start of the wave of “metaprogramming” languages (by which he meant “very-high-level” languages) that Fred
    Brooks predicted in the final edition of his classic book “The
    Mythical Man-Month”.

    His own proposed example, AppleScript, is probably best forgotten.
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  • From Gary Scott@garylscott@sbcglobal.net to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 18 16:31:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 1/18/2026 3:00 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:06:35 +0100, LC's No-Spam Newsreading account
    wrote:

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    In those days, “scripting” meant “interpreted”, which in turn meant “slow”. Perl managed to break the mould by compiling to an
    intermediate byte-code form, which made it fast enough to be a real productivity booster for many common quick-and-dirty programming
    tasks.

    I would point to Perl as the start of the wave of “metaprogramming” languages (by which he meant “very-high-level” languages) that Fred Brooks predicted in the final edition of his classic book “The
    Mythical Man-Month”.

    His own proposed example, AppleScript, is probably best forgotten.
    REXX could also be compiled, if desired.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 18 22:59:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 16:31:51 -0600, Gary Scott wrote:

    REXX could also be compiled, if desired.

    From what I can gather, REXX does everything with strings. I would put
    it on a par with TCL, perhaps.

    Perl was more advanced than that.
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to comp.lang.fortran on Mon Jan 19 15:50:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 1/10/2026 3:27 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 21:20:47 -0000 (UTC), Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?...
    ...

    I used to play Lunar Lander on the teletype master console of the Univac
    1108 that my Dad used back in 1970. Lunar Lander was written in BASIC.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Lander_(video_game_genre)

    Lynn

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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to comp.lang.fortran on Sun Jan 25 18:10:28 2026
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    LC's No-Spam Newsreading account <nospam@home.invalid> schrieb:
    Around 1989, I got access to UNIX workstations and also worked in C
    and various script languages, especially Perl.

    What else was there in terms of “scripting” at the time?

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    On HP RTE-6 VM there were "transfer files" with some two-letter control statements. On IBM VM/CMS one could write scripts in EXEC, then EXEC2,
    and later REXX (REXX is still kicking and alive). On VAX VMS "command
    files" where written in DCL (Digital Command Language).

    JCL is also a script language, of sorts (the worst prorgramming
    language of all times, according to Brooks).
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  • From LC's No-Spam Newsreading account@nospam@home.invalid to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 27 14:28:12 2026
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    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    On HP RTE-6 VM there were "transfer files" with some two-letter control
    statements. On IBM VM/CMS one could write scripts in EXEC, then EXEC2,
    and later REXX (REXX is still kicking and alive). On VAX VMS "command
    files" where written in DCL (Digital Command Language).

    JCL is also a script language, of sorts

    I had some exposure to JCL too on IBM mainframes (and to the equivalent "languag" on Univac 1100 ones), but I did not consider them script
    languages (no interactivity, no obvious way of "passing parameters",
    did it have branching ?),
    My exposure to JCL occurred in the UK where MSSL used the computing
    centre at RAL ... to solve the parametere passage issue they had an
    additional layer called Electric written over JCL jobs, which allowed to change some parameters at submission time.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 27 17:43:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    LC's No-Spam Newsreading account <nospam@home.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    On HP RTE-6 VM there were "transfer files" with some two-letter control
    statements. On IBM VM/CMS one could write scripts in EXEC, then EXEC2,
    and later REXX (REXX is still kicking and alive). On VAX VMS "command
    files" where written in DCL (Digital Command Language).

    JCL is also a script language, of sorts

    I had some exposure to JCL too on IBM mainframes (and to the equivalent "languag" on Univac 1100 ones), but I did not consider them script
    languages (no interactivity, no obvious way of "passing parameters",
    did it have branching ?),

    You can write procedures in JCL, with parameters. You can also
    skip steps based on the condition code of previous return codes,
    but the logic is horribly backwards. And you can submit new
    jobs from JCL to an "internal reader" via SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR), so
    looping is possible, in principle.

    Fred Brooks, who should know, called it "the worst computer
    programming language ever devised by anybody, anywhere", adding
    that as the /360 project lead, he was responsible, but that there
    was more than enough blame to go around.

    My exposure to JCL occurred in the UK where MSSL used the computing
    centre at RAL ... to solve the parametere passage issue they had an additional layer called Electric written over JCL jobs, which allowed to change some parameters at submission time.

    I once wrote a JCL script which would test-compile a Fortran program
    on an IBM 3090, then cross-submit a job to a Fujitsu vector computer
    if the compilation succeeded, to save costly CPU time on the vector
    computer in case of syntax errors. I think I also included
    some output processing back on the IBM 3090, submitting a job
    backwards.
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  • From Gary Scott@garylscott@sbcglobal.net to comp.lang.fortran on Tue Jan 27 15:02:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.lang.fortran

    On 1/27/2026 11:43 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    LC's No-Spam Newsreading account <nospam@home.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sun, 25 Jan 2026, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    One had OS-dependent scripting at least as far as early 1980s.

    On HP RTE-6 VM there were "transfer files" with some two-letter control >>>> statements. On IBM VM/CMS one could write scripts in EXEC, then EXEC2, >>>> and later REXX (REXX is still kicking and alive). On VAX VMS "command
    files" where written in DCL (Digital Command Language).

    JCL is also a script language, of sorts

    I had some exposure to JCL too on IBM mainframes (and to the equivalent
    "languag" on Univac 1100 ones), but I did not consider them script
    languages (no interactivity, no obvious way of "passing parameters",
    did it have branching ?),

    You can write procedures in JCL, with parameters. You can also
    skip steps based on the condition code of previous return codes,
    but the logic is horribly backwards. And you can submit new
    jobs from JCL to an "internal reader" via SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR), so
    looping is possible, in principle.

    Fred Brooks, who should know, called it "the worst computer
    programming language ever devised by anybody, anywhere", adding
    that as the /360 project lead, he was responsible, but that there
    was more than enough blame to go around.
    snip

    That would be my opinion of JCL. Hated it, used it only where
    absolutely necessary.
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