Many eating plans work in the beginning when we are highly motivated.
There is no eating plan that I know of that makes it easy to maintain
your motivation indefinitely,
I think I have found a book that fills in this missing motivational
piece. "The Diet Trap Solution" by Judith Beck is filled with various scenarios where we might sabotage ourselves, and proposed solutions for those traps. By creating and reading a few index cards you can maintain your motivation.
If you do not find a particular trap in the book that you think is
affecting you, you will find a general procedure for creating your own solution to a particular trap.
One weakness of the book is a lack of suggestions to motivate yourself
to exercise. However Judith Beck has several other books and I did find some exercise related material in them.
This is all based on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Aaron Beck is
the "father of CBT" and Judith Beck is his daughter. She has a clinic
in Philadelphia PA where she has experience treating people with weight problems.
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:05 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Good advice, Pete.
there was in my case), The Fast Diet <https://thefastdiet.co.uk/>.I like the psychology of " I can have it or not have it." That way I
I like the psychology of "I can't have it today, but I could have it tomorrow."
In the 18 months since I started, I've lost about 10kg, down from 120kg.
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Many eating plans work in the beginning when we are highly motivated.
There is no eating plan that I know of that makes it easy to maintain
your motivation indefinitely,
That would be because your motivation is entirely subjective... :-)
Many things can affect your mood and so affect your motivation. It's
called "losing focus".
My own belief is that weight control is simply a "side effect" that
happens as part of a wholistic health approach.
1. Eat proper food. (avoid processed foods that contain large amounts of salt, fat, and sugar.) Fruit and vegetables are really important and for those of us who are still carnivores, try and replace at least a couple
of red meat meals a week with fresh fish. Look for Omega sources (flax
seed, salmon, mackerel...) to help counteract excessive cholesterol in
meat.
Work on reducing portion sizes and never waste food. Leftovers get
recyled into stir-frys, omelettes, casseroles, etc.
Don't eat if you're not hungry (just because it is meal time).
Don't snack between meals and generally don't eat candy bars, sweets,
cakes etc. (The idea is to control fat, salt, and sugar... you'll be surprised how quickly your taste can change. I couldn't take sugar in
coffee or tea now and would find the taste repulsive, but for many years
I normally took 3 sugars....)
2. If you are taking supplements (I have for the last 35 years and don't remember the last time I was sick. As a contractor, I lost 4 days due to illness in 25 years...), take the right ones. In particular, garlic
every day has tremendous benefit in a number of different areas.
3. Cook with rape seed oil (if it is going to be hot) because it has one
of the highest smoke points and will not form destructive amyloids that
many other oils do. Use pure virgin Olive Oil for anything cold or
cooked at lower temperatures. (If it is smoking before you add the food. stop and move to rape seed.) These are the only 2 oils you need in the larder... Never deep fry in fat and avoid cooking anything in fat. Very occasionally you can add some butter to the oil for flavour with certain dishes.
4. Exercise regularly. It is far too easy to spend excessive time
sitting in a chair with a computer... I swim 2 to 3 times a week (1KM
each session) and walk at least 20 minutes most days. Make time for it.
It is beneficial both mentally and physically. If you're not moving,
you're not improving... :-)
It is Winter here at the moment so walking is not such an attractive proposition, but you can take a trip to the nearest library,
supermarket, or exhibition and walk around indoors.
Fortunately, we are well served with natural hot pools so it is no
problem to do the swimming all year round.
5. Don't obsess mentally with being overweight. You can change your condition. When you're feeling down and heading for depression, that is
the ideal time to exercise. Apply yourself to the following and you'll
be amazed to find that the weight comes off as a side effect of your
healthy regimen:
Eat well, exercise well, and rest (sleep) well.
Control your consumption of fat, salt, and sugar.
The bottom line is kind of Zen like:
"When sitting, just sit. When walking, just walk. Above all do not wobble."
I think I have found a book that fills in this missing motivational
piece. "The Diet Trap Solution" by Judith Beck is filled with various
scenarios where we might sabotage ourselves, and proposed solutions
for those traps. By creating and reading a few index cards you can
maintain your motivation.
If that works for you, do it.
If you do not find a particular trap in the book that you think is
affecting you, you will find a general procedure for creating your own
solution to a particular trap.
One weakness of the book is a lack of suggestions to motivate yourself
to exercise. However Judith Beck has several other books and I did
find some exercise related material in them.
Find exercise that you will actually ENJOY... (walking, bike riding, swimming, dancing...) Some people enjoy circuit training at a gym, I
really don't. The secret is to be moving... both your body and your
brain like it when you are in motion.
This is all based on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Aaron Beck
is the "father of CBT" and Judith Beck is his daughter. She has a
clinic in Philadelphia PA where she has experience treating people
with weight problems.
It is certainly true that our world view will affect our actions and consequently reflects in our health. Psychosomatic illnesses are real,
they just require a different treatment.
Good Luck, Charlie!
Pete.
On 12/06/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:05 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Good advice, Pete.
Thanks, it works for me and I have also helped a number of others.
I am 6' tall and, at my heaviest, weighed 109 KG.
Although that is technically obese, I didn't LOOK grossly overweight.
As time went by I realized that although I was generally pretty healthy,
I was too heavy and it would take a toll on joints and so on.
I read a number of books and tried several diets, but nothing was
permanent or satisfying.
I decided to research it more and look for a more wholistic solution.
Today I allow myself to be 101 KG in the Winter but it has to move to 98
KG in the Summer. I don't obsess over it and weigh myself about every 10
- 15 days. If I find myself exceeding those limits, I take action to get back below the line. Drink more fluids, increase the exercise, have some lighter meals... Technically (that is according to statistical tables),
I should be around 85 KG and as a very long term goal I guess that is achievable. But I feel pretty comfortable around 100 KG so I won't be striving to reach 85...
My Doctor and I have numerous disagreements but he still keeps me as a patient and I respect his knowledge. He wanted me on statins because my cholesterol was high, but I adamantly refused. I told him to give me 3 months using natural means and I'd get it down. I did and he was
impressed. It has remained OK ever since. I had a lesion on my shin
which wouldn't heal, was biopsied and diagnosed as cancer. He said it
would never heal and wanted to excise it; I asked if it was likely to metastase and he said no, so I refused. He offered me a steroid cream
which remains unused in my medicine cabinet. Instead, I attacked it with broccoli poultice, an increase in Vitamin C intake (solid over 4 weeks,
at least 5 grams a day), and, as it got better, moved to a bandaid with Manuka honey and ground up ivy. It took around 5 weeks before it closed. Today it is healed properly, with just a small red mark where it was.
I firmly believe our bodies have evolved systems over a very long period
of time that are designed to resist infection and repair damage. If you provide those systems with the wherewithal they need, you can stay
pretty healthy most of the time.
I'd add, in case there is a need to reduce weight (as
there was in my case), The Fast Diet <https://thefastdiet.co.uk/>.
I like the psychology of "I can't have it today, but I could have it tomorrow."I like the psychology of " I can have it or not have it." That way I
know who's in charge... :-) Obsessively NOT having something is just as
bad as obsessively having it. You want the middle path... see previous
Zen reference.
In the 18 months since I started, I've lost about 10kg, down from 120kg.
That's excellent, Bruce, and at a steady, healthy rate of decline too.
Good job!
Pete.
--
I used to write COBOL; now I can do anything...
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 7:02:50 PM UTC+12, pete dashwood wrote:
On 12/06/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:05 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Good advice, Pete.
Thanks, it works for me and I have also helped a number of others.
I am 6' tall and, at my heaviest, weighed 109 KG.
Although that is technically obese, I didn't LOOK grossly overweight.
Don't think of it as being overweight, you are just 4" too short.
On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 7:02:50 PM UTC+12, pete dashwood wrote:
On 12/06/2018 2:16 PM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 10:05 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Good advice, Pete.
Thanks, it works for me and I have also helped a number of others.
I am 6' tall and, at my heaviest, weighed 109 KG.
Although that is technically obese, I didn't LOOK grossly overweight.
Don't think of it as being overweight, you are just 4" too short.
On 6/11/2018 10:05 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Many eating plans work in the beginning when we are highly motivated.
There is no eating plan that I know of that makes it easy to maintain
your motivation indefinitely,
That would be because your motivation is entirely subjective... :-)
Many things can affect your mood and so affect your motivation. It's
called "losing focus".
My own belief is that weight control is simply a "side effect" that
happens as part of a wholistic health approach.
1. Eat proper food. (avoid processed foods that contain large amounts
of salt, fat, and sugar.) Fruit and vegetables are really important
and for those of us who are still carnivores, try and replace at least
a couple of red meat meals a week with fresh fish. Look for Omega
sources (flax seed, salmon, mackerel...) to help counteract excessive
cholesterol in meat.
Work on reducing portion sizes and never waste food. Leftovers get
recyled into stir-frys, omelettes, casseroles, etc.
Don't eat if you're not hungry (just because it is meal time).
Don't snack between meals and generally don't eat candy bars, sweets,
cakes etc. (The idea is to control fat, salt, and sugar... you'll be
surprised how quickly your taste can change. I couldn't take sugar in
coffee or tea now and would find the taste repulsive, but for many
years I normally took 3 sugars....)
2. If you are taking supplements (I have for the last 35 years and
don't remember the last time I was sick. As a contractor, I lost 4
days due to illness in 25 years...), take the right ones. In
particular, garlic every day has tremendous benefit in a number of
different areas.
3. Cook with rape seed oil (if it is going to be hot) because it has
one of the highest smoke points and will not form destructive amyloids
that many other oils do. Use pure virgin Olive Oil for anything cold
or cooked at lower temperatures. (If it is smoking before you add the
food. stop and move to rape seed.) These are the only 2 oils you need
in the larder... Never deep fry in fat and avoid cooking anything in
fat. Very occasionally you can add some butter to the oil for flavour
with certain dishes.
4. Exercise regularly. It is far too easy to spend excessive time
sitting in a chair with a computer... I swim 2 to 3 times a week (1KM
each session) and walk at least 20 minutes most days. Make time for
it. It is beneficial both mentally and physically. If you're not
moving, you're not improving... :-)
It is Winter here at the moment so walking is not such an attractive
proposition, but you can take a trip to the nearest library,
supermarket, or exhibition and walk around indoors.
Fortunately, we are well served with natural hot pools so it is no
problem to do the swimming all year round.
5. Don't obsess mentally with being overweight. You can change your
condition. When you're feeling down and heading for depression, that
is the ideal time to exercise. Apply yourself to the following and
you'll be amazed to find that the weight comes off as a side effect of
your healthy regimen:
Eat well, exercise well, and rest (sleep) well.
Control your consumption of fat, salt, and sugar.
The bottom line is kind of Zen like:
"When sitting, just sit. When walking, just walk. Above all do not
wobble."
I think I have found a book that fills in this missing motivational
piece. "The Diet Trap Solution" by Judith Beck is filled with various
scenarios where we might sabotage ourselves, and proposed solutions
for those traps. By creating and reading a few index cards you can
maintain your motivation.
If that works for you, do it.
If you do not find a particular trap in the book that you think is
affecting you, you will find a general procedure for creating your
own solution to a particular trap.
One weakness of the book is a lack of suggestions to motivate
yourself to exercise. However Judith Beck has several other books
and I did find some exercise related material in them.
Find exercise that you will actually ENJOY... (walking, bike riding,
swimming, dancing...) Some people enjoy circuit training at a gym, I
really don't. The secret is to be moving... both your body and your
brain like it when you are in motion.
This is all based on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Aaron Beck
is the "father of CBT" and Judith Beck is his daughter. She has a
clinic in Philadelphia PA where she has experience treating people
with weight problems.
It is certainly true that our world view will affect our actions and
consequently reflects in our health. Psychosomatic illnesses are real,
they just require a different treatment.
Good Luck, Charlie!
Pete.
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research, made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever because
you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and you never sabotage yourself.
I can assure you that for many people this seems almost impossible.
These people need help and I believe this book can help many of them.
Obviously you do not need it as you have already found your own way. Congrats on that and thanks for you suggestions and insights.
On 12/06/2018 10:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
On 6/11/2018 10:05 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Many eating plans work in the beginning when we are highly
motivated. There is no eating plan that I know of that makes it easy
to maintain your motivation indefinitely,
That would be because your motivation is entirely subjective... :-)
Many things can affect your mood and so affect your motivation. It's
called "losing focus".
My own belief is that weight control is simply a "side effect" that
happens as part of a wholistic health approach.
1. Eat proper food. (avoid processed foods that contain large amounts
of salt, fat, and sugar.) Fruit and vegetables are really important
and for those of us who are still carnivores, try and replace at
least a couple of red meat meals a week with fresh fish. Look for
Omega sources (flax seed, salmon, mackerel...) to help counteract
excessive cholesterol in meat.
Work on reducing portion sizes and never waste food. Leftovers get
recyled into stir-frys, omelettes, casseroles, etc.
Don't eat if you're not hungry (just because it is meal time).
Don't snack between meals and generally don't eat candy bars, sweets,
cakes etc. (The idea is to control fat, salt, and sugar... you'll be
surprised how quickly your taste can change. I couldn't take sugar in
coffee or tea now and would find the taste repulsive, but for many
years I normally took 3 sugars....)
2. If you are taking supplements (I have for the last 35 years and
don't remember the last time I was sick. As a contractor, I lost 4
days due to illness in 25 years...), take the right ones. In
particular, garlic every day has tremendous benefit in a number of
different areas.
3. Cook with rape seed oil (if it is going to be hot) because it has
one of the highest smoke points and will not form destructive
amyloids that many other oils do. Use pure virgin Olive Oil for
anything cold or cooked at lower temperatures. (If it is smoking
before you add the food. stop and move to rape seed.) These are the
only 2 oils you need in the larder... Never deep fry in fat and avoid
cooking anything in fat. Very occasionally you can add some butter to
the oil for flavour with certain dishes.
4. Exercise regularly. It is far too easy to spend excessive time
sitting in a chair with a computer... I swim 2 to 3 times a week (1KM
each session) and walk at least 20 minutes most days. Make time for
it. It is beneficial both mentally and physically. If you're not
moving, you're not improving... :-)
It is Winter here at the moment so walking is not such an attractive
proposition, but you can take a trip to the nearest library,
supermarket, or exhibition and walk around indoors.
Fortunately, we are well served with natural hot pools so it is no
problem to do the swimming all year round.
5. Don't obsess mentally with being overweight. You can change your
condition. When you're feeling down and heading for depression, that
is the ideal time to exercise. Apply yourself to the following and
you'll be amazed to find that the weight comes off as a side effect
of your healthy regimen:
Eat well, exercise well, and rest (sleep) well.
Control your consumption of fat, salt, and sugar.
The bottom line is kind of Zen like:
"When sitting, just sit. When walking, just walk. Above all do not
wobble."
I think I have found a book that fills in this missing motivational
piece. "The Diet Trap Solution" by Judith Beck is filled with
various scenarios where we might sabotage ourselves, and proposed
solutions for those traps. By creating and reading a few index
cards you can maintain your motivation.
If that works for you, do it.
If you do not find a particular trap in the book that you think is
affecting you, you will find a general procedure for creating your
own solution to a particular trap.
One weakness of the book is a lack of suggestions to motivate
yourself to exercise. However Judith Beck has several other books
and I did find some exercise related material in them.
Find exercise that you will actually ENJOY... (walking, bike riding,
swimming, dancing...) Some people enjoy circuit training at a gym, I
really don't. The secret is to be moving... both your body and your
brain like it when you are in motion.
This is all based on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Aaron Beck >>>> is the "father of CBT" and Judith Beck is his daughter. She has a
clinic in Philadelphia PA where she has experience treating people
with weight problems.
It is certainly true that our world view will affect our actions and
consequently reflects in our health. Psychosomatic illnesses are
real, they just require a different treatment.
Good Luck, Charlie!
Pete.
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
Hmmm... I don't actually WORK at it. You figure out what is needed,
start doing it, and it becomes "normal".
People who are having emotional problems or trying to sabotage
themselves need a different treatment. You will never succeed at doing anything if you don't get your head straight first. That includes losing weight.
And a modicum of perseverance and self-discipline are certainly needed,
at least initially.
I can assure you that for many people this seems almost impossible.
I disagree.
There is nothing I have outlined above that is an impossibility for
anyone who is motivated and has a clear head.
I would agree with "some" but not "many".
There are some people who want a nice easy fix and are not prepared to make an effort. (These are the "pill takers"...)
These people need help and I believe this book can help many of them.
I am not dismissing your book recommendation, Charlie.
I'm simply saying that sometimes you can overthink things (and then make
a lot of money writing books about it) when there are really simple solutions available.
If even ONE person is helped by reading the book, then I would agree
that is a good result.
Obviously you do not need it as you have already found your own way.
Congrats on that and thanks for you suggestions and insights.
There is nothing "special" about me. I believe anyone (with the
exceptions stated) SHOULD be able to take control of their own health.
Unfortunately, we have become conditioned into using drugs to treat
symptoms (and sometimes that HAS to be done...) rather than seeing the
whole systems that our bodies use, and providing the necessary fuels to support them, so that the symptoms don't arise.
Pete.
On 6/12/2018 8:17 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 12/06/2018 10:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
On 6/11/2018 10:05 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
On 11/06/2018 4:02 PM, charles hottel wrote:
Many eating plans work in the beginning when we are highly
motivated. There is no eating plan that I know of that makes it
easy to maintain your motivation indefinitely,
That would be because your motivation is entirely subjective... :-)
Many things can affect your mood and so affect your motivation. It's
called "losing focus".
My own belief is that weight control is simply a "side effect" that
happens as part of a wholistic health approach.
1. Eat proper food. (avoid processed foods that contain large
amounts of salt, fat, and sugar.) Fruit and vegetables are really
important and for those of us who are still carnivores, try and
replace at least a couple of red meat meals a week with fresh fish.
Look for Omega sources (flax seed, salmon, mackerel...) to help
counteract excessive cholesterol in meat.
Work on reducing portion sizes and never waste food. Leftovers get
recyled into stir-frys, omelettes, casseroles, etc.
Don't eat if you're not hungry (just because it is meal time).
Don't snack between meals and generally don't eat candy bars,
sweets, cakes etc. (The idea is to control fat, salt, and sugar...
you'll be surprised how quickly your taste can change. I couldn't
take sugar in coffee or tea now and would find the taste repulsive,
but for many years I normally took 3 sugars....)
2. If you are taking supplements (I have for the last 35 years and
don't remember the last time I was sick. As a contractor, I lost 4
days due to illness in 25 years...), take the right ones. In
particular, garlic every day has tremendous benefit in a number of
different areas.
3. Cook with rape seed oil (if it is going to be hot) because it has
one of the highest smoke points and will not form destructive
amyloids that many other oils do. Use pure virgin Olive Oil for
anything cold or cooked at lower temperatures. (If it is smoking
before you add the food. stop and move to rape seed.) These are the
only 2 oils you need in the larder... Never deep fry in fat and
avoid cooking anything in fat. Very occasionally you can add some
butter to the oil for flavour with certain dishes.
4. Exercise regularly. It is far too easy to spend excessive time
sitting in a chair with a computer... I swim 2 to 3 times a week
(1KM each session) and walk at least 20 minutes most days. Make time
for it. It is beneficial both mentally and physically. If you're not
moving, you're not improving... :-)
It is Winter here at the moment so walking is not such an attractive
proposition, but you can take a trip to the nearest library,
supermarket, or exhibition and walk around indoors.
Fortunately, we are well served with natural hot pools so it is no
problem to do the swimming all year round.
5. Don't obsess mentally with being overweight. You can change your
condition. When you're feeling down and heading for depression, that
is the ideal time to exercise. Apply yourself to the following and
you'll be amazed to find that the weight comes off as a side effect
of your healthy regimen:
Eat well, exercise well, and rest (sleep) well.
Control your consumption of fat, salt, and sugar.
The bottom line is kind of Zen like:
"When sitting, just sit. When walking, just walk. Above all do not
wobble."
I think I have found a book that fills in this missing motivational >>>>> piece. "The Diet Trap Solution" by Judith Beck is filled with
various scenarios where we might sabotage ourselves, and proposed
solutions for those traps. By creating and reading a few index
cards you can maintain your motivation.
If that works for you, do it.
If you do not find a particular trap in the book that you think is
affecting you, you will find a general procedure for creating your
own solution to a particular trap.
One weakness of the book is a lack of suggestions to motivate
yourself to exercise. However Judith Beck has several other books >>>>> and I did find some exercise related material in them.
Find exercise that you will actually ENJOY... (walking, bike riding,
swimming, dancing...) Some people enjoy circuit training at a gym, I
really don't. The secret is to be moving... both your body and your
brain like it when you are in motion.
This is all based on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). Aaron
Beck is the "father of CBT" and Judith Beck is his daughter. She
has a clinic in Philadelphia PA where she has experience treating
people with weight problems.
It is certainly true that our world view will affect our actions and
consequently reflects in our health. Psychosomatic illnesses are
real, they just require a different treatment.
Good Luck, Charlie!
Pete.
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
Hmmm... I don't actually WORK at it. You figure out what is needed,
start doing it, and it becomes "normal".
People who are having emotional problems or trying to sabotage
themselves need a different treatment. You will never succeed at doing
anything if you don't get your head straight first. That includes
losing weight.
And a modicum of perseverance and self-discipline are certainly
needed, at least initially.
I can assure you that for many people this seems almost impossible.
I disagree.
There is nothing I have outlined above that is an impossibility for
anyone who is motivated and has a clear head.
I would agree with "some" but not "many".
There are some people who want a nice easy fix and are not prepared
to make an effort. (These are the "pill takers"...)
These people need help and I believe this book can help many of them.
I am not dismissing your book recommendation, Charlie.
I'm simply saying that sometimes you can overthink things (and then
make a lot of money writing books about it) when there are really
simple solutions available.
If even ONE person is helped by reading the book, then I would agree
that is a good result.
Obviously you do not need it as you have already found your own way.
Congrats on that and thanks for you suggestions and insights.
There is nothing "special" about me. I believe anyone (with the
exceptions stated) SHOULD be able to take control of their own health.
Unfortunately, we have become conditioned into using drugs to treat
symptoms (and sometimes that HAS to be done...) rather than seeing the
whole systems that our bodies use, and providing the necessary fuels
to support them, so that the symptoms don't arise.
Pete.
I think people have a great ability to generalize from their personal experience, "This how my relationship with food and exercise is, it
must be the same for other people".
If there are only a few and not many and if it is really so easy, then
why are 32% of men and 35% of women in the US obese (yes NOT just
overweight but obese)?
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research, made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever because
you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and you never sabotage yourself.
On 6/12/2018 6:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
This is where repentance comes in. And repentance (changing the way one thinks as per Luther <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_%28theology%29>) is a process.
Sin isn't just doing the wrong or not doing the right. It's also a power within us that draws us strongly toward self-sabotage. Various
treatments for this disease have been promoted over the millenia since
Eden. Pete knows where this discussion is going so I'll let him
elucidate further ;)
Bruce.
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On 6/14/2018 12:57 AM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 6:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
This is where repentance comes in. And repentance (changing the way
one thinks as per Luther
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_%28theology%29>) is a process.
Sin isn't just doing the wrong or not doing the right. It's also a
power within us that draws us strongly toward self-sabotage. Various
treatments for this disease have been promoted over the millenia since
Eden. Pete knows where this discussion is going so I'll let him
elucidate further ;)
Bruce.
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Wow! I post a message about a book that I think has changed my life. In
my naive enthusiasm I hope it might help other people. What response do
I get? I am pushing over analyzed crap written only to make a buck and
now I am told that I need to repent. You guys could suck the enthusiasm off a brand new corvette from a hundred miles away through a fire hose.
Your reality is so far removed from what overweight people are
experiencing that I see no basis for continuing this discussion. It
seems that the internet and this newsgroup have degenerated into a giant attack fest and criticism of everything no matter how innocuous.
On 6/14/2018 12:57 AM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 6:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
This is where repentance comes in. And repentance (changing the way
one thinks as per Luther
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_%28theology%29>) is a process.
Sin isn't just doing the wrong or not doing the right. It's also a
power within us that draws us strongly toward self-sabotage. Various
treatments for this disease have been promoted over the millenia since
Eden. Pete knows where this discussion is going so I'll let him
elucidate further ;)
Bruce.
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Wow! I post a message about a book that I think has changed my life. In
my naive enthusiasm I hope it might help other people. What response do
I get? I am pushing over analyzed crap written only to make a buck and
now I am told that I need to repent. You guys could suck the enthusiasm off a brand new corvette from a hundred miles away through a fire hose.
Your reality is so far removed from what overweight people areOK, that's your prerogative.
experiencing that I see no basis for continuing this discussion.
It
seems that the internet and this newsgroup have degenerated into a giant attack fest and criticism of everything no matter how innocuous.
On 6/12/2018 6:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on forever
because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the way and
you never sabotage yourself.
This is where repentance comes in. And repentance (changing the way one thinks as per Luther <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_%28theology%29>) is a process.
Sin isn't just doing the wrong or not doing the right. It's also a power within us that draws us strongly toward self-sabotage. Various
treatments for this disease have been promoted over the millenia since
Eden. Pete knows where this discussion is going so I'll let him
elucidate further ;)
On 6/14/2018 7:08 AM, charles hottel wrote:I agree, Kerry.
On 6/14/2018 12:57 AM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/12/2018 6:56 PM, charles hottel wrote:
You make it sound calmly, coolly rational, You just did research,
made these decisions and implemented them and you continue on
forever because you never lose focus. Your emotions never get in the
way and you never sabotage yourself.
This is where repentance comes in. And repentance (changing the way
one thinks as per Luther
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_%28theology%29>) is a process.
Sin isn't just doing the wrong or not doing the right. It's also a
power within us that draws us strongly toward self-sabotage. Various
treatments for this disease have been promoted over the millenia
since Eden. Pete knows where this discussion is going so I'll let him
elucidate further ;)
Bruce.
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Wow! I post a message about a book that I think has changed my life.
In my naive enthusiasm I hope it might help other people. What
response do I get? I am pushing over analyzed crap written only to
make a buck and now I am told that I need to repent. You guys could
suck the enthusiasm off a brand new corvette from a hundred miles away
through a fire hose.
Your reality is so far removed from what overweight people are
experiencing that I see no basis for continuing this discussion. It
seems that the internet and this newsgroup have degenerated into a
giant attack fest and criticism of everything no matter how innocuous.
I would agree about the Internet in general (you may wish to avoid
Twitter except for the giant entertainment value) but this newsgroup is generally not too bad (recent discussions about the meaning of various
words not withstanding...reminds me of Bill Clinton and the meaning of "sex"). When you post something with OT: on the front of the subject I
think you have to take a step back and put on the flame resistant
underwear.
Did you know that Luther's anti-Semitic writings were
used by the Nazis to condone their barbarism..?)
Although I am technically an Atheist
I have knowledge and respect for others views, but I don't necessarily
share them.
Based on observed empirical evidence I have evolved a framework that > serves me well.
1. Take personal responsibility, stop blaming God or Satan for the Human condition.
2. Do what you can to help. If we all do this, the world will be a much better place.
1. Eat well, exercise well, sleep well.
2. Try and laugh each day. (Some days it is easier than others, but most days there is something amusing that happens...)
Respect your body, and it will give you little trouble.
Losing (or gaining weight, if required...) follows as a natural "side-effect" of doing this.
On 6/16/2018 10:11 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
Did you know that Luther's anti-Semitic writings were used by the
Nazis to condone their barbarism..?)
Yes. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to strangle him (see <http://adam4d.com/hang-with-martin-luther/>) but it's hard when my
heroes turn out to be as rotten as I am.
Although I am technically an Atheist
Absolute or "practical"?
I have knowledge and respect for others views, but I don't necessarily
share them.
Ditto.
Based on observed empirical evidence I have evolved a framework that >
serves me well.
I also acknowledge revelation as a source of information.
Good sound advice. This is the Pete Dashwood whose postings in c.l.c
I've been reading for many years and have come to appreciate and respect.
Nowadays I am older and
wiser and it gets balanced by other things in my life, so I don't stay hurt.
On 16/06/2018 5:56 PM, Bruce Axtens wrote:
On 6/16/2018 10:11 AM, pete dashwood wrote:
Did you know that Luther's anti-Semitic writings were used by the
Nazis to condone their barbarism..?)
Yes. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to strangle him (see
<http://adam4d.com/hang-with-martin-luther/>) but it's hard when my
heroes turn out to be as rotten as I am.
:-) Very well put...
Although I am technically an Atheist
Absolute or "practical"?
Well, I used to be Agnostic, but you grow... :-)
In article <fojagqFrhanU1@mid.individual.net>,
pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
Nowadays I am older and
wiser and it gets balanced by other things in my life, so I don't stay hurt.
'Older' is easy enough to measure given even the most rudimentary of known human attempts.
('Baby Ogg come out woman Tukk. Sun go down, sun come up, baby Thagg come out woman N'ank. Ogg older than Thagg.')
'Wiser'... not so simple.
DD
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