Re: Re: Bbsing
By: fusion to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 08 2026 05:41 am

i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind of dumb ....

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i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far
as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of
id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its
real ? idk just kind of dumb ....

I think years ago that the states should have agreed on a common format
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.

It's totally fair for law enforcement and TSA to have some commonality
between license formats.



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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: chris dick to fusion on Tue Jul 07 2026 10:08 am

i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind of dumb ....

I've heard that if you have a passport, you don't need a Real ID, and you can use your passport instead.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: fusion to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 08 2026 05:41 am

i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i
need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind
of dumb ....

Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a "Real ID."



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I think years ago that the states should have agreed on a common format
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.

Agree on both counts. In some states, like mine, the county court clerks were responsible for issuing the physical licenses. When the Feds forced Real ID, it
overwhelmed their offices because people wanting one couldn't, or refused to, follow the simple directions that the state had been broadcasting for months, and some of the smaller counties didn't have the extra manpower resources to deal with the new requirements.

So, while the largest urban area in the state still has multiple offices, the rest of the state only has regional offices which require appointments and
can be burdensome to get to.

The state did their best to make it less heavy-handed but it did not work out.

It's totally fair for law enforcement and TSA to have some commonality between license formats.

Agree, so long as they are mostly uniform but also still handled on the state level.


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Hey Dumas!

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 04:01:00 , you wrote:

Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also
had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a "Real ID."

My wife did the same. We just took a trip to Florida for volleyball nationals. She got pulled out of the TSA line, and had to buy a $45 pass to fly for a week since she didn't have one, and I did. I don't think she thinks the $10 more for a real ID is all that bad any more. :)

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to chris dick on Wed Jul 08 2026 07:47 am

chris dick wrote to fusion <=-

i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far
as im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk just kind of dumb ....

I think years ago that the states should have agreed on a common format
for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.

It's totally fair for law enforcement and TSA to have some commonality between license formats.

i don't think it's that they want a 'common format'; it's more of an upgraded Format for domestic flights and federal facilities.

There's really no need for it. They are just making it a need.
For federal facilities they have provided other credentials.


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i persoanly think the whole real id thing is kind of dumb IMO ... far as
im concerned my state issued drivers license / id is a real form of id but
now i need a new card with a stamp in the corner that says its real ? idk
just kind of dumb ....

I've heard that if you have a passport, you don't need a Real ID, and you can use your passport instead.

That is why I didn't get a Real ID as I already have a passport. IIRC, the passport is good enough for most things but there may have been something I would still be restricted from doing without it. Whatever it was, it must have been something I didn't care to do.


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On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 04:01:00 , you wrote:

Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a "Real ID."

My wife did the same. We just took a trip to Florida for volleyball nationals. She got pulled out of the TSA line, and had to buy a $45 pass to fly for a week since she didn't have one, and I did. I don't think she thinks the $10 more for a real ID is all that bad any more. :)

Did she have a valid passport? At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport was supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC, in this state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.

Sounds like maybe they are trying now to strongarm the Real ID.


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i don't think it's that they want a 'common format'; it's more of an upgraded Format for domestic flights and federal facilities.

There's really no need for it. They are just making it a need.
For federal facilities they have provided other credentials.

Agree. I think it is more for assisting them in keeping track of us.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to chris dick on Wed Jul 08 2026 07:47 am

for drivers licenses, but the rollout of REAL ID has felt overbearing
and heavy-handed here.

There's already a passport, and it works for more things. Screw that real ID shit. The passport is a little bit bigger, but big deal.. makes you feel like you're back in Communist Russia or something.

PAPERS PLEASE!

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Dumas Walker to Accession on Thu Jul 09 2026 09:04 pm

On Thu, 09 Jul 2026 04:01:00 , you wrote:

Agree. When it came time to renew my state drivers license, as I also
had a valid passport at the time, I opted not to spend extra for a
"Real ID."

My wife did the same. We just took a trip to Florida for volleyball nationals. She got pulled out of the TSA line, and had to buy a $45 pass
to fly for a week since she didn't have one, and I did. I don't think she thinks the $10 more for a real ID is all that bad any more. :)

Did she have a valid passport? At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a > valid passport was supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also,
IIRC, in this state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.

Sounds like maybe they are trying now to strongarm the Real ID.

In our state(nicks and mine) you can get it for the same price of renewing.
i saw a photo. it looks the same as our drivers license but there's a star on It.

Https://wisconsindot.gov/PublishingImages/dmv/shared/dl-2022-o21.jpg

Is there a chip with more info?
Not sure. I don't think it's worth it.

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Hey Dumas!

On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 02:04:00 , you wrote:

Did she have a valid passport?

No.

At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport was
supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC, in this
state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.

That is still the case here. However, we never leave the country so have no need for passports. We both renewed our licenses the same year. It was assumed we both had real IDs, but apparantly she didn't check the right box. :/

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In our state(nicks and mine) you can get it for the same price of renewing. i saw a photo. it looks the same as our drivers license but there's a star on It.

Https://wisconsindot.gov/PublishingImages/dmv/shared/dl-2022-o21.jpg

Ours look mostly the same now, too. Back when I renewed my license in 2019, I want
to say the Real ID was about twice as much as the regular license, which had gone
up quite a bit because they made it look like the Real ID (but with the "NOT FOR
REAL ID" text added at the top).

Is there a chip with more info?
Not sure. I don't think it's worth it.

I don't think it is, either.


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At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport was
supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC, in this state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I rarely fly, and planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it necessary.

That is still the case here. However, we never leave the country so have no need for passports. We both renewed our licenses the same year. It was assumed we both had real IDs, but apparantly she didn't check the right box. :/

Makes sense. I had a passport because, while I don't hardly ever fly, I did want to take a road trip that included several days in Canada.


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On Jul 10, 2026 09:16pm, DUMAS WALKER wrote to ACCESSION:

At the time I renewed, flying was one thing a valid passport

was

supposed to allow without issues or extra cost. Also, IIRC,

in this

state the difference was > $10 when I renewed. Since I

rarely fly,

and

planned to keep my passport valid, I didn't feel it

necessary.

That is still the case here. However, we never leave the country

so have

no need for passports. We both renewed our licenses the same

year. It was assumed we both had real IDs, but apparantly she didn't
check the right box. :/

Makes sense. I had a passport because, while I don't hardly

ever fly,

I did want to take a road trip that included several days in

Canada.

I have passport, biut I also have a RealID license. I got my first
passport when my late husband and I moved to Buffalo and we went
across thye river to Niagara Falls, Ont. to spped a day at Clifton
Hill; which, now that I am married again a once again living on
Grand Island, I'd love to do that again.

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I have passport, biut I also have a RealID license. I got my first passport when my late husband and I moved to Buffalo and we went
across thye river to Niagara Falls, Ont. to spped a day at Clifton
Hill; which, now that I am married again a once again living on
Grand Island, I'd love to do that again.

I have not been to Niagara yet. That was planned for a future trip that got delayed by the pandemic travel restrictions. I need to plan a trip up that way (and get my passport renewed!).


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 09 2026 11:02 am

There's already a passport, and it works for more things. Screw that real ID shit. The passport is a little bit bigger, but big deal.. makes you feel lik you're back in Communist Russia or something.

I wish I'd gotten a passport card when I got my passport renewed. It would have come in handy. I have a real ID, still travel with a passport out of spite.

I'm saddened that most places I've traveled (Canada, the UK, France, Italy) don't stamp passports anymore. That was a cool memento of a trip and you could look at your passport to confirm trip dates.

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I've heard that if you have a passport, you don't need a Real ID, and
you can use your passport instead.

True.



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Agree, so long as they are mostly uniform but also still handled on the state level.

Totally agree, thinking more about format - expiration dates and data
stored on the magstrip. Because, when you buy alcohol or antihistamines
at Target, they should be able to pull the information off of your
license just fine whether you're in California or Arkansas.

Aside: I bought a bottle of wine at Target last week. They didn't
bother checking my ID. Don't know if this was a policy change or if
they felt silly asking a 60 year old with lustrous silvery-gray hair
for his ID.



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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 12 2026 09:25 am

this was a policy change or if
they felt silly asking a 60 year ol

Most stores' policy is to card if the
person looks under 30.
Here, anyway.

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Most stores' policy is to card if the
person looks under 30.
Here, anyway.

I remember when i was 25 i was still carded for rated r movies.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Matthew Munson to PHIGAN on Sun Jul 12 2026 07:35 pm

Most stores' policy is to card if the
person looks under 30.
Here, anyway.

I remember when i was 25 i was still carded for rated r movies.

I got carded more than once when I was in my 50's.

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