• 90s bbs software popularity

    From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Denn on Sun Jul 6 22:53:06 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: Denn to Mortar on Sun Jul 06 2025 16:08:11

    Why not just use Synchronet or Mystic?

    I'll probably take a look at those, too. I've been following the Syncronet discussion group, and compared to TAG, it's much more complex. Mystic I haven't really looked at since I hang out on a SBBS board.

    Both are pretty easy to learn and set up.

    It's all relative.

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  • From xbit@VERT/XBITBBS to Mortar on Mon Jul 7 05:27:56 2025
    Re: Converting to Telnet-aware
    By: Mortar to xbit on Sun Jul 06 2025 10:33 pm

    https://x-bit.org/spitfire/
    Coolness, thanks.

    You got it. any question, let me know. I spent the most time trying to get the SF init strings configed so it would pick up calls. The info in the howto will work with SF but not sure about other BBS programs.
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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Nightfox on Mon Jul 7 19:23:47 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Nightfox to Jcurtis on Sun Jul 06 2025 07:29 am

    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Sun Jul 06 2025 04:33 am

    there are BBS software packages like Synchronet that run on Linux

    What would a user friendly BBS look like. Probably something like linux

    I'd probably disagree.. I think BBS packages make the BBS experience more u friendly than Linux would. I've never seen a BBS just using Linux as the "B software"..

    Nightfox


    I agree. I've used a public unix or two, and while theere is the same functionality, it was not as nice as the BBS. Some of the communication mechanisms were quite awkward. The only real advantage I can see was multitasking.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to BORAXMAN on Mon Jul 7 09:16:20 2025
    I've used a public unix or two, and while theere is the
    same functionality, it was not as nice as the BBS. Some
    of the communication mechanisms were quite awkward.

    A menu may be faster but mode context is still not user friendly. When "A" means one thing on the message menu and something else on the file menu,
    it's awkward for ordinary people. They will leave and savant designers are
    too smart to understand why.

    What does a BBS do. Files. Messages. Chat. Maybe doors. 26 letters and 10 function keys give you 36 modeless meanings. And there's always two letter commands if you need more.

    The only real advantage I can see was multitasking

    I'm not saying linux is a better BBS. I'm saying BBS designers of the 90s failed.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 10:21:31 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to BORAXMAN on Mon Jul 07 2025 09:16 am

    What does a BBS do. Files. Messages. Chat. Maybe doors. 26 letters and 10 function keys give you 36 modeless meanings. And there's always two letter commands if you need more.

    Not all BBS user interfaces use command letters - have you not seen a lightbar-driven interface (e.g. lbshell for Synchronet)?
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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jul 7 11:17:18 2025
    Not all BBS user interfaces use command letters - have you not seen a lightbar-driven interface (e.g. lbshell for Synchronet)?

    IDK what that is. Was it around in the 90s? I'm only interested in text interfaces. Not GUI if that's what it takes.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 11:51:56 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jul 07 2025 11:17 am

    Not all BBS user interfaces use command letters - have you not seen a
    lightbar-driven interface (e.g. lbshell for Synchronet)?

    IDK what that is. Was it around in the 90s? I'm only interested in text interfaces. Not GUI if that's what it takes.

    A lightbar interface is something that shows a menu with a selected option highlighted, and you can choose an option from the menu by moving the selected item up/down with the arrow keys and pressing enter (usually). It's not necessarily a GUI thing, and is used in some BBS things. I'm pretty sure it existed in the 90s.

    Nightfox

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 7 12:39:25 2025
    A lightbar interface is something that shows a menu with a selected option highlighted, and you can choose an option from the menu by moving the selected
    item up/down with the arrow keys and pressing enter (usually).

    That's how Borland's C++ 3.1 integrated environment works. I never knew the moving green bar was called a "light" bar. A green light. Means go. Imagine that. Yes it was around in the 90s. Not sure how it would work remotely with
    a BBS, client side or server side. No matter. My interest is limited to text command interface design.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 12:48:33 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jul 07 2025 11:17 am

    Not all BBS user interfaces use command letters - have you not seen a lightbar-driven interface (e.g. lbshell for Synchronet)?

    IDK what that is.

    A "lightbar" is a highlighted menu option that is moved around with arrow keys, sometimes called a "matrix menu".

    Was it around in the 90s?

    Yes.

    I'm only interested in text interfaces. Not GUI if that's what it takes.

    Yes, text (and typically ANSI for color and cursor positioning over typical BBS interfaces, e.g. serial lines and modems).
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 13:15:16 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 07 2025 12:39 pm

    A lightbar interface is something that shows a menu with a selected option
    highlighted, and you can choose an option from the menu by moving the
    selected
    item up/down with the arrow keys and pressing enter (usually).

    That's how Borland's C++ 3.1 integrated environment works. I never knew the moving green bar was called a "light" bar. A green light. Means go. Imagine that. Yes it was around in the 90s. Not sure how it would work remotely with a BBS, client side or server side. No matter. My interest is limited to text command interface design.

    It uses ANSI, which _is_ text-based.. As an example, this screenshot shows the quote selection window in SlyEdit - It uses a lightbar interface to let you select the lines to quote in a message:

    https://i.imgur.com/SmcIIuw.png

    Nightfox

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jul 7 13:49:01 2025
    A "lightbar" is a highlighted menu option that is moved around with arrow keys, sometimes called a "matrix menu".
    text (and typically ANSI for color and cursor positioning over typical BBS interfaces, e.g. serial lines and modems).

    Sounds like heavy traffic when the user holds down an arrow key to cycle rapidly through the matrix. Seems better suited for client side code, like Borland's integrated environment.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 7 14:02:51 2025
    the quote selection window in SlyEdit

    IDK anything about your program. If you have a sales pitch hit me with it.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 14:21:29 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 07 2025 02:02 pm

    the quote selection window in SlyEdit

    IDK anything about your program. If you have a sales pitch hit me with it.

    That's irrelevant to the conversation..? I was simply giving you an example on what a lightbar is in a text-based BBS context..

    Nightfox

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 7 15:47:37 2025
    the quote selection window in SlyEdit

    IDK anything about your program. If you have a sales pitch hit me with it

    That's irrelevant to the conversation..? I was simply giving you an example o
    what a lightbar is in a text-based BBS context..

    Haven't looked at it yet. I wanted an overview first. But if it's
    not for DOS never mind.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Jcurtis on Mon Jul 7 16:53:32 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to NIGHTFOX on Mon Jul 07 2025 03:47 pm

    Haven't looked at it yet. I wanted an overview first. But if it's
    not for DOS never mind.

    It's for QNX. Just forget the whole thing, you won't like it anyway.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to PHIGAN on Mon Jul 7 18:11:29 2025
    if it's not for DOS never mind.

    It's for QNX. Just forget the whole thing, you won't like it anyway.

    I'm not opposed to QNX. No time for it though.

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jcurtis on Tue Jul 8 21:16:58 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to BORAXMAN on Mon Jul 07 2025 09:16 am

    I've used a public unix or two, and while theere is the
    same functionality, it was not as nice as the BBS. Some
    of the communication mechanisms were quite awkward.

    A menu may be faster but mode context is still not user friendly. When "A" means one thing on the message menu and something else on the file menu, it's awkward for ordinary people. They will leave and savant designers are too smart to understand why.

    What does a BBS do. Files. Messages. Chat. Maybe doors. 26 letters and 10 function keys give you 36 modeless meanings. And there's always two letter commands if you need more.

    The only real advantage I can see was multitasking

    I'm not saying linux is a better BBS. I'm saying BBS designers of the 90s failed.

    * SLMR 2.1a *

    Have you actaully heard people complain that there is an issue with menus on a BBS, and have they said they've not come back from it?

    You seem to be talking about what *may* happen, but is this based on actual observation?

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to BORAXMAN on Tue Jul 8 09:11:07 2025
    BBS designers of the 90s failed.

    Have you actaully heard people complain that there is an issue with menus on a
    BBS, and have they said they've not come back from it?
    You seem to be talking about what *may* happen, but is this based on actual observation?

    The crowd is long gone. Only a tiny population remain. Their view is skewed
    by various psychological factors. They don't prove anything.

    BBS user interface could be improved, but who has the time. Might be fun but
    I don't.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Jcurtis on Tue Jul 8 10:13:44 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to BORAXMAN on Tue Jul 08 2025 09:11 am

    Have you actaully heard people complain that there is an issue with menus
    on
    a
    BBS, and have they said they've not come back from it? You seem to be
    talking about what *may* happen, but is this based on actual observation?

    The crowd is long gone. Only a tiny population remain. Their view is skewed by various psychological factors. They don't prove anything.

    People generally moved away from BBSes because the internet became generally available to people, and the internet became a lot more popular than BBSes. Linux had little to do with it.

    BBS user interface could be improved, but who has the time. Might be fun but I don't.

    In the 90s, there were a couple standards being made (that I know of) to implement GUI interfaces on BBSes: RIP (Remote Imaging Protocol) and RoboBoard. Those just came around when the internet became popular, so while they could have been an interesting advancement for BBSes, not many BBSes ended up using GUI-style interfaces with RIP or anything.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Jcurtis on Tue Jul 8 10:42:57 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jul 07 2025 01:49 pm

    A "lightbar" is a highlighted menu option that is moved around with arrow keys, sometimes called a "matrix menu".
    text (and typically ANSI for color and cursor positioning over typical BBS interfaces, e.g. serial lines and modems).

    Sounds like heavy traffic when the user holds down an arrow key to cycle rapidly through the matrix. Seems better suited for client side code, like Borland's integrated environment.

    Nope, it's pretty light traffic, not much more than just holding down a letter key and having the server echo that character back to the client. It's typically just a 3 character sequence (e.g. <ESC>[A to move the cursor up one row). There was a terminal escape sequence (called AVATAR) designed and used in the 90s which was more bit-efficient, but as it turns out, that optimization wasn't all that important and it never took off, replacing ANSI terminal emulation.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Tue Jul 8 09:27:00 2025
    necessarily a GUI thing, and is used in some BBS things. I'm pretty sure it existed in the 90s.

    The door game LORD 2, IIRC, uses a lightbar so I am also pretty sure it was
    a thing then.


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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Jcurtis on Sat Jul 12 11:30:36 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Jcurtis to BORAXMAN on Tue Jul 08 2025 09:11 am

    BBS designers of the 90s failed.

    Have you actaully heard people complain that there is an issue with menus a
    BBS, and have they said they've not come back from it?
    You seem to be talking about what *may* happen, but is this based on actua observation?

    The crowd is long gone. Only a tiny population remain. Their view is skewed by various psychological factors. They don't prove anything.

    BBS user interface could be improved, but who has the time. Might be fun but I don't.

    * SLMR 2.1a *

    Trying to update the BBS user interface to get more people to use it, is like trying to modernise the horse-drawn carriage, to make it more appealing to people.

    These things are quaint curiosities. I did look at seriously using a BBS for a small personal network with others, to chat and message, but it just didn't make sense to use that instead of Internet based technologies like IRC and NNTP or Mastodon, Matrix, etc.

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  • From Jcurtis@VERT to Boraxman on Fri Jul 11 20:27:18 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software
    By: Boraxman to Jcurtis on Sat Jul 12 2025 11:30 am

    Trying to update the BBS user interface to get more people to use it, is like trying to modernise the horse-drawn carriage, to make it more appealing to people.

    I don't need anyone to use it. It's fun, like games. But more interesting.

    These things are quaint curiosities. I did look at seriously using a BBS for a small personal network with others, to chat and message, but it just didn't make sense to use that instead of Internet based technologies like IRC and NNTP or Mastodon, Matrix, etc.

    The crowd agreed. They're not interested in history. They always want the latest whatever. No concern of mine.

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  • From 10mm@VERT/LLOADED to Denn on Mon Aug 18 14:50:23 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: Denn to Mortar on Sun Jul 06 2025 04:08 pm

    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    I have both setup also. I am trying to figure out how to get fido net and all of the other message groups on it. I'm sure I am over complicating it, same thing with trying to get doors installed. I am also trying to change the login and log screens but no luck yet! hahah I just need to sit down with it for a while to figure this stuff out.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to 10mm on Mon Aug 18 16:12:32 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: 10mm to Denn on Mon Aug 18 2025 02:50 pm

    I have both setup also. I am trying to figure out how to get fido net and al of the other message groups on it. I'm sure I am over complicating it, same thing with trying to get doors installed. I am also trying to change the


    Just don't think you'll ever be *done*. The fun of this hobby is that there's always something else to tweak, automate, improve...

    I always joked that the time I finally got everything working just as I thought it should was the time I turned everything off and became a farmer.

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to 10mm on Wed Aug 20 09:34:51 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: 10mm to Denn on Mon Aug 18 2025 02:50 pm

    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    I have both setup also. I am trying to figure out how to get fido net and all of the other message groups on it. I'm sure I am over complicating it, same thing with trying to get doors installed. I am also trying to change the login and log screens but no luck yet! hahah I just need to sit down with it for a while to figure this stuff out.

    I haven't tried setting up fido, I have set up many Doors though.
    have you looked into bbslink.net ?

    ... The only good MAC is a Big Mac.

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  • From BRoKeNMiND@VERT/TIABBS to MRO on Thu Aug 21 19:09:39 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: MRO to xbit on Thu Jul 03 2025 10:51 am

    i'm in the upper midwest. the bbs softwares we ran were a few odd ones, and then renegade, iniquity, telegard, RA, and tbbs. oh a few really popular vadv bbses.

    Over the years I have played with most bbs software's that are out there some of my favorites were Celerity , Oblivion , Vision-x , Renegade , Telegard and some of the other rip offs's of Renegade and Telegard. Wildcat and winserver were nice also. I actually have a ton of BBS Warez including fully registerd BBS Software doors , utils and miscs on my board if your intrested in playing
    around with some of the older warez

    BRoKeNMiND

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to BRoKeNMiND on Thu Aug 21 19:44:35 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: BRoKeNMiND to MRO on Thu Aug 21 2025 07:09 pm

    have a ton of BBS Warez including fully registerd BBS Software
    doors , utils and miscs on my board if your intrested in playing
    around with some of the older warez

    uh, pretty sure most of them came from me. i'm on your bbs and i see them right now.
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  • From BRoKeNMiND@VERT/TIABBS to MRO on Sat Aug 23 15:46:38 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: MRO to BRoKeNMiND on Thu Aug 21 2025 07:44 pm

    uh, pretty sure most of them came from me. i'm on your bbs and i see them right now

    You might have a copy of them but most likly they did not come from you but it's possible I might have grabbed something from your board at one time or another. I lost a lot of stuff a few years ago and have downloaded a bunch from synchronet boards and from friends from back in the day.

    BRoKeNMiND

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to BRoKeNMiND on Sat Aug 23 21:03:26 2025
    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: BRoKeNMiND to MRO on Sat Aug 23 2025 03:46 pm

    Re: 90s bbs software popularity
    By: MRO to BRoKeNMiND on Thu Aug 21 2025 07:44 pm

    uh, pretty sure most of them came from me. i'm on your bbs and i see them right now

    You might have a copy of them but most likly they did not come from
    you but it's possible I might have grabbed something from your board
    at one time or another. I lost a lot of stuff a few years ago and
    have downloaded a bunch from synchronet boards and from friends
    from back in the day.

    i mean like literally i put them together. they came from doorgames with reg codes i put together with datastream or my codes or shit i found in the wild.
    like if you have something named doorgame.registered.zip it's me.

    it's no big deal i was a big supplier of bbs files for a long time.

    I'm also the guy that got ahold of bbsesfiles' stuff. i didn't have
    the stuff he really coveted because he didn't store it off site. i had to sit on it until he died but it was pretty much the same stuff from his website with a few odds and ends.

    I dont want anything unless i dont have it. it's pointless though,
    there's no users now anyways.
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  • From Daryl Stout@VERT/TBOLTBBS to Denn on Tue Sep 2 17:30:43 2025
    I haven't tried setting up fido, I have set up many Doors
    though. have you looked into bbslink.net ?

    After being on a BBS hiatus (due to life) for nearly 9 months,
    I was wondering about InterBBS games and networks.

    ... The only good MAC is a Big Mac.

    I think the french fries at the golden arches are the best.

    Daryl

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