• Sake

    From Tom Biasi@tombiasi@optonline.net to rec.crafts.brewing on Wed Oct 17 15:38:19 2018
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    Did anybody here ever brew sake?
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  • From Baloonon@baloonon@hootmali.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Mon Oct 22 02:12:12 2018
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    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    Did anybody here ever brew sake?

    This recipe seems pretty clear. It sounds like an interesting project, although pretty labor intensive. And it makes a lot of sake.

    https://byo.com/article/making-sake/

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  • From Tom Biasi@tombiasi@optonline.net to rec.crafts.brewing on Mon Oct 22 10:53:40 2018
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    On 10/21/2018 10:12 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    Did anybody here ever brew sake?

    This recipe seems pretty clear. It sounds like an interesting project, although pretty labor intensive. And it makes a lot of sake.

    https://byo.com/article/making-sake/

    Thanks. I'm just looking for a new experience in brewing.
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  • From Baloonon@baloonon@hootmali.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Tue Oct 23 12:45:56 2018
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    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    On 10/21/2018 10:12 PM, Baloonon wrote:

    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    Did anybody here ever brew sake?

    This recipe seems pretty clear. It sounds like an interesting
    project, although pretty labor intensive. And it makes a lot of sake.

    https://byo.com/article/making-sake/

    Thanks. I'm just looking for a new experience in brewing.

    My vague recollection of what I've read is that water chemistry and the
    right combo of yeast and temperature is really important, since there
    are no hops or malt adding flavor and the rice adds very little. It
    sounds like it should be pretty easy to scale down, though, so you're
    not stuck with big batches of mistakes.

    I've just bottled a gallon and a half of hard cider, and I've usually
    had pretty different results in terms of flavor, gravity and
    carbonation, even when using pasteurized cider and commercial yeast. I
    get the sense that non-beer ferments take a lot more tinkering to really
    nail down. For me, sake isn't something I'd drink enough of to make it worthwhile. Sort of like how I looked into distilling once, and quickly realized that the time investment plus the learning curve didn't make
    sense considering that I don't drink much hard liquor.
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  • From Tom Biasi@tombiasi@optonline.net to rec.crafts.brewing on Tue Oct 23 16:41:24 2018
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    On 10/23/2018 8:45 AM, Baloonon wrote:
    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    On 10/21/2018 10:12 PM, Baloonon wrote:

    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote :

    Did anybody here ever brew sake?

    This recipe seems pretty clear. It sounds like an interesting
    project, although pretty labor intensive. And it makes a lot of sake.

    https://byo.com/article/making-sake/

    Thanks. I'm just looking for a new experience in brewing.

    My vague recollection of what I've read is that water chemistry and the
    right combo of yeast and temperature is really important, since there
    are no hops or malt adding flavor and the rice adds very little. It
    sounds like it should be pretty easy to scale down, though, so you're
    not stuck with big batches of mistakes.

    I've just bottled a gallon and a half of hard cider, and I've usually
    had pretty different results in terms of flavor, gravity and
    carbonation, even when using pasteurized cider and commercial yeast. I
    get the sense that non-beer ferments take a lot more tinkering to really
    nail down. For me, sake isn't something I'd drink enough of to make it worthwhile. Sort of like how I looked into distilling once, and quickly realized that the time investment plus the learning curve didn't make
    sense considering that I don't drink much hard liquor.

    I like sake when I cook Japanese. Other than that I wouldn't drink much
    of it. It's just a new venture. Sake not only needs yeast but a special
    mold strain also.
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  • From Baloonon@baloonon@hootmali.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Tue Oct 23 23:37:14 2018
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    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote

    I like sake when I cook Japanese. Other than that I wouldn't drink much
    of it. It's just a new venture. Sake not only needs yeast but a special
    mold strain also.

    The non-alcoholic fermenting that I've found that works well and seems
    pretty much foolproof is pickling, making dill cucumber pickles,
    sauerkraut, and kimchi. The quality was quite good right off the bat --
    sort of like the first batch of extract beer I made, where I was pleasantly surprised that it had worked well, and there's not a big time investment either.
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  • From Tom Biasi@tombiasi@optonline.net to rec.crafts.brewing on Wed Oct 24 12:20:00 2018
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.brewing

    On 10/23/2018 7:37 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote

    I like sake when I cook Japanese. Other than that I wouldn't drink much
    of it. It's just a new venture. Sake not only needs yeast but a special
    mold strain also.

    The non-alcoholic fermenting that I've found that works well and seems
    pretty much foolproof is pickling, making dill cucumber pickles,
    sauerkraut, and kimchi. The quality was quite good right off the bat --
    sort of like the first batch of extract beer I made, where I was pleasantly surprised that it had worked well, and there's not a big time investment either.

    I have done those things. I like the pickles but not a big fan of kraut
    and "take or leave" for kimchi.
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  • From rb@snafu@khyber.org to rec.crafts.brewing on Sun Dec 23 18:22:57 2018
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    On 25-Oct-18 3:20 AM, Tom Biasi wrote:
    On 10/23/2018 7:37 PM, Baloonon wrote:
    Tom Biasi <tombiasi@optonline.net> wrote

    I like sake when I cook Japanese. Other than that I wouldn't drink much
    of it. It's just a new venture. Sake not only needs yeast but a special
    mold strain also.

    The non-alcoholic fermenting that I've found that works well and seems
    pretty much foolproof is pickling, making dill cucumber pickles,
    sauerkraut, and kimchi. The quality was quite good right off the bat --
    sort of like the first batch of extract beer I made, where I was
    pleasantly
    surprised that it had worked well, and there's not a big time investment
    either.

    I have done those things. I like the pickles but not a big fan of kraut
    and "take or leave" for kimchi.

    How about vinegar, kombucha or kefir?
    If I had the time and space, aging some home made wine vinegar would be
    on the cards (and making a reduction).
    And lets not forget mead - I recently found a 2012 bottle of bochet
    stashed away.
    rb


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  • From Bill O'Meally@omeallymd@geemail.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Mon Dec 24 08:55:11 2018
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    On 2018-12-23 07:22:57 +0000, rb said:



    How about vinegar, kombucha or kefir?
    If I had the time and space, aging some home made wine vinegar would be
    on the cards (and making a reduction).
    And lets not forget mead - I recently found a 2012 bottle of bochet
    stashed away.
    rb

    I had a Renaissance party in June, and served my last five bottles of
    1998 sweet mead. Remarkably, non-oxidized.
    --
    Bill O'Meally

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  • From Baloonon@baloonon@hootmali.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Mon Dec 24 16:30:19 2018
    From Newsgroup: rec.crafts.brewing

    Bill O'Meally <omeallymd@geemail.com> wrote :

    On 2018-12-23 07:22:57 +0000, rb said:



    How about vinegar, kombucha or kefir?
    If I had the time and space, aging some home made wine vinegar would be
    on the cards (and making a reduction).
    And lets not forget mead - I recently found a 2012 bottle of bochet
    stashed away.
    rb

    I had a Renaissance party in June, and served my last five bottles of
    1998 sweet mead. Remarkably, non-oxidized.

    Had it developed in other ways?

    I opened the last bottle of a batch of Burton I made a couple of years ago, maybe three, but I think the seal wasn't tight enough, or maybe it was just expected leakage. Mostly flat and definitely some cardboardy oxidation.
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  • From Bill O'Meally@omeallymd@geemail.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Mon Dec 24 14:41:44 2018
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    On 2018-12-24 16:30:19 +0000, Baloonon said:

    Bill O'Meally <omeallymd@geemail.com> wrote :

    On 2018-12-23 07:22:57 +0000, rb said:



    How about vinegar, kombucha or kefir?
    If I had the time and space, aging some home made wine vinegar would be
    on the cards (and making a reduction).
    And lets not forget mead - I recently found a 2012 bottle of bochet
    stashed away.
    rb

    I had a Renaissance party in June, and served my last five bottles of
    1998 sweet mead. Remarkably, non-oxidized.

    Had it developed in other ways?

    I opened the last bottle of a batch of Burton I made a couple of years ago, maybe three, but I think the seal wasn't tight enough, or maybe it was just expected leakage. Mostly flat and definitely some cardboardy oxidation.

    I actually had two batches, both in a still wine style. They were very
    high gravity, so between the sugar, the alcohol (and added acids
    perhaps), they were remarkably well-preserved. The "Miruvor" was a
    spiced mead, and the spices had mellowed down to just a hint of what I remembered. The "Asgard" was a plain sweet mead and had taken on a nice
    subtle buttery tone. Both were quite enjoyable, at least the little bit
    I got to drink. My guests loved them both!

    Actually, I had found a sixth bottle that the wife and I had poured
    into a wineskin to smuggle into the Maryland Renaissance Festival. I
    kept smelling mead on the way down, and when we parked I found that the wineskin had sprung a leak! Ugh!! At least it was in a cooler, which
    contained the mess. Three young men parked next to use were tailgating
    and drinking Natty Boh. I asked if they'd like to try the very last of
    my '98 mead -- at least as old as they were. There was maybe 3/4 of a
    bottle left in the skin. They were bowled over. Now, If I could only
    have gotten them to stop calling me "sir". And though I think I look
    younger than my 57 years, they felt a need to explain to me how to take
    their picture on their cell phone! :-/
    --
    Bill O'Meally

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  • From Baloonon@baloonon@hootmali.com to rec.crafts.brewing on Sun Dec 30 22:03:57 2018
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    Bill O'Meally <omeallymd@geemail.com> wrote:

    On 2018-12-24 16:30:19 +0000, Baloonon said:

    I had a Renaissance party in June, and served my last five bottles
    of 1998 sweet mead. Remarkably, non-oxidized.

    Had it developed in other ways?

    I opened the last bottle of a batch of Burton I made a couple of
    years ago, maybe three, but I think the seal wasn't tight enough, or
    maybe it was just expected leakage. Mostly flat and definitely some
    cardboardy oxidation.

    I actually had two batches, both in a still wine style. They were very
    high gravity, so between the sugar, the alcohol (and added acids
    perhaps), they were remarkably well-preserved. The "Miruvor" was a
    spiced mead, and the spices had mellowed down to just a hint of what I remembered. The "Asgard" was a plain sweet mead and had taken on a
    nice subtle buttery tone. Both were quite enjoyable, at least the
    little bit I got to drink. My guests loved them both!

    Actually, I had found a sixth bottle that the wife and I had poured
    into a wineskin to smuggle into the Maryland Renaissance Festival. I
    kept smelling mead on the way down, and when we parked I found that
    the wineskin had sprung a leak! Ugh!! At least it was in a cooler,
    which contained the mess. Three young men parked next to use were
    tailgating and drinking Natty Boh. I asked if they'd like to try the
    very last of my '98 mead -- at least as old as they were. There was
    maybe 3/4 of a bottle left in the skin. They were bowled over. Now, If
    I could only have gotten them to stop calling me "sir". And though I
    think I look younger than my 57 years, they felt a need to explain to
    me how to take their picture on their cell phone! :-/

    Thanks for the info. I'll have to add it to the list of things I want to
    try and make. There is a ton of info on homebrewtalk.com, I've just
    never gotten around to it. I get the sense it's not as tricky to get
    good quality results as winemaking.
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