• Re: Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Nov 13 21:43:38 2020
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    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design
    defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your
    whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.


    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>



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  • From Addictive@colours@shades.of.grey to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Fri Nov 13 22:59:36 2020
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    On 13 Nov 2020 at 22:43:38 CET, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is
    unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.



    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>

    Yep, I had the same thing happening here and blamed it to an new update from
    an app that had been sleeping for more than ten years.

    Anyway, here's some more food for thought:

    https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 01:27:41 2020
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    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you’re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 03:31:33 2020
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    On 2020-11-14, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you’re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

    +1

    Restarting cleared the issue for most people.

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 03:38:25 2020
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Addictive <colours@shades.of.grey> wrote:
    On 13 Nov 2020 at 22:43:38 CET, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is
    unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.



    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>

    Yep, I had the same thing happening here and blamed it to an new update from an app that had been sleeping for more than ten years.

    What app was it?


    Anyway, here's some more food for thought:

    https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 03:39:29 2020
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you???re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

    +1

    Restarting cleared the issue for most people.

    And having no Internet. ;)
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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 19:47:30 2020
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    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by
    turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.



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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 14:52:45 2020
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.

    Wait. This happened in the past? :(
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sat Nov 14 22:06:03 2020
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    On 2020-11-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it
    by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid
    design on Apple's part.

    Wait. This happened in the past? :(

    Use your brain. General unresponsiveness can be attributed to other
    issues as well as this one.

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  • From Percival John Hackworth@pjh@nanoworks.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sun Nov 15 00:21:33 2020
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    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android. I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal. They were fine but that version of Chrome would only partially load my pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and
    Opera had no problems with the same pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183 to be upgraded until yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't be one of the Apple M1 systems.

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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sun Nov 15 01:02:50 2020
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    On 2020-11-14 at 17:21:33 MST, "Percival John Hackworth" <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving
    MacOS and Apple with my next system.

    I hear you. It would be nice if some government would step in to stop this snooping, but it seems that even the EU is no longer interested in protecting privacy.



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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps on Sun Nov 15 14:04:12 2020
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    On 2020-11-15 00:21:33 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by
    turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on >> Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android. I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal. They were fine but that version
    of Chrome would only partially load my pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and Opera had no problems with the same pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183
    to be upgraded until yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving
    MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't be one of the Apple M1 systems.

    Chrome is garbage at the best of times - slow, buggy, and seems to make
    *a lot* of unnecessary connections to Google servers compared to other
    web browsers. I only use it for one particular website, and for
    everything else I use Safari and occasionally Firefox.


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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sun Nov 15 18:33:17 2020
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    On 2020-11-15, Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it
    by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid
    design on Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all
    my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the
    release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android.
    I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal.
    They were fine but that version of Chrome would only partially load my
    pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and Opera had no problems with the same
    pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded
    fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183 to be upgraded until
    yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep
    two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this
    happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    That's not the issue being discussed - nor is it necessarily Apple's
    fault - more likely you experienced one of Chrome's many bugs. Chrome is
    about the shittiest choice of browser you can make on Macs - especially
    Mac laptops. Chrome is notorious for hogging CPU/RAM/disk space, and is
    one of the least energy efficient browsers out there - especially
    compared to Safari which is one of the most energy efficient browsers
    available for macOS.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't
    be one of the Apple M1 systems.

    LOL...

    Bye, Felicia.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sun Nov 15 18:39:08 2020
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    On 2020-11-15, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 17:21:33 MST, "Percival John Hackworth" <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may
    be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system.

    I hear you. It would be nice if some government would step in to stop
    this snooping, but it seems that even the EU is no longer interested
    in protecting privacy.

    LOL... Such ignorance on display here.

    The process is "blockable" with a one-line addition to the hosts file,
    which has been discussed in this very thread. That said, blocking it indefinitely is a very bad idea, since you are disabling the mechanism
    that ensures software using revoked certificates (usually due to malware/adware/spyware being bundled) won't run on your Mac.

    But more importantly, validating encryption certificates isn't
    "snooping". If you think that's "snooping", just wait 'till you smooth
    brains learn about secured web connections! OH MY!!! SNOOPS-R-US! : O

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