Yet again, (a) Apple never tests sufficiently, such that (b) someone else tells Apple about the astoundingly huge vulnerabilities in _all_ the code!...
Does anyone even test sufficiently these days? :(
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:11:55 -0500, Ant wrote:
Does anyone even test sufficiently these days? :(
Hi Ant,
Since you're not an apologist, an adult conversation can ensue.
Notice you bring up "anyone", which is _always_ what Apple lovers do
whenever it's found out that Apple is just like everyone else.
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:11:55 -0500, Ant wrote:
Does anyone even test sufficiently these days? :(
Hi Ant,
Since you're not an apologist, an adult conversation can ensue.
Notice you bring up "anyone", which is _always_ what Apple lovers do
whenever it's found out that Apple is just like everyone else.
Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
It's _critical_ for you to notice this, since it's _key_ to how Apple
people are bamboozled, without even knowing that they're bamboozled.
It's a rather deep doublethink, which, you probably won't even recognize since you're "inside" the cocoon by being an Apple lover, almost certainly unduly swayed by marketing.
You can't have it both ways though, and that's why Apple lovers are _different_ than Android, Linux, or Windows users.
Apple lovers want to have it both ways:
1. They want to believe the MARKETING that Apple is, somehow, different.
2. And yet, _every_ time they are forced, themselves, to realize they're
the same.
Literally you said it yourself.
o You just don't realize it.
It's classic doublethink by people who are bamboozled, unknowingly, by MARKETING.
Bear in mind, NOBODY blames Apple when Microsoft, Linux, or Android has a flaw (of which there are many indeed, no doubt about it).
But _those_ users aren't bamboozled to think they're different.
o Only the Apple users are bamboozled.
Rest assured I'm not chastising you since you're simply exhibiting what
_all_ the people on this newsgroup exhibit; I'm just asking you to think about _why_ you bring up everyone else, when _nobody_ brings up Apple when the flaws are shown on the other newsgroups.
As you know, I've studied Apple users ever since they cruelly sent me on fruitless wild-goose chases, and they claimed, incessantly, that functionality existed which simply didn't exist.
For years I've been trying to figure out the Apple user...
o And I think I finally have figured all of you out.
You're not malicious, Ant.
o But think about why you bring up the other OS's when they don't do it
about Apple.
What's different?
o Hint: You actually _believed_ Apple marketing (who bamboozled you).
Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
On 6/2/20 11:20 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:11:55 -0500, Ant wrote:
Does anyone even test sufficiently these days? :(
Hi Ant,
Since you're not an apologist, an adult conversation can ensue.
Notice you bring up "anyone", which is _always_ what Apple lovers do
whenever it's found out that Apple is just like everyone else.
Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
It's _critical_ for you to notice this, since it's _key_ to how Apple
people are bamboozled, without even knowing that they're bamboozled.
It's a rather deep doublethink, which, you probably won't even recognize
since you're "inside" the cocoon by being an Apple lover, almost certainly >> unduly swayed by marketing.
You can't have it both ways though, and that's why Apple lovers are
_different_ than Android, Linux, or Windows users.
Apple lovers want to have it both ways:
1. They want to believe the MARKETING that Apple is, somehow, different.
2. And yet, _every_ time they are forced, themselves, to realize they're
the same.
Literally you said it yourself.
o You just don't realize it.
It's classic doublethink by people who are bamboozled, unknowingly, by
MARKETING.
Bear in mind, NOBODY blames Apple when Microsoft, Linux, or Android has a
flaw (of which there are many indeed, no doubt about it).
But _those_ users aren't bamboozled to think they're different.
o Only the Apple users are bamboozled.
Rest assured I'm not chastising you since you're simply exhibiting what
_all_ the people on this newsgroup exhibit; I'm just asking you to think
about _why_ you bring up everyone else, when _nobody_ brings up Apple when >> the flaws are shown on the other newsgroups.
As you know, I've studied Apple users ever since they cruelly sent me on
fruitless wild-goose chases, and they claimed, incessantly, that
functionality existed which simply didn't exist.
For years I've been trying to figure out the Apple user...
o And I think I finally have figured all of you out.
You're not malicious, Ant.
o But think about why you bring up the other OS's when they don't do it
about Apple.
What's different?
o Hint: You actually _believed_ Apple marketing (who bamboozled you).
Your black and white thinking is flawed.
Yes, ALL OSs have security flaws. Yes, including the ones Apple makes.
No, the fact that there is THIS in common does not mean ALL other things
are the same among OSs. Each has pros and cons.
I can talk about some of the things I like -- and some I dislike --
about macOS and iOS, but frankly you have shown you are here just to
bash Apple. You have no interest -- and perhaps no capacity -- to learn. Remember when I showed you what I could do TRIVIALLY in recording iOS
and macOS? You harped and whined about it for months.... maybe years...
all because you could not replicate it on Android (and any desktop OS). Whatever. You suffer from sour grapes. Enjoy.
Meanwhile I will use macOS, Windows, and Linux as they serve me best.
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 06:20:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
Hi Ant,
This is an important, adult, deep, & salient observation of Apple owners.
I've studied Apple owners for quite some time, where I ask, for example
while waiting in lines, _why_ people own their iPhone, and I almost always ascertain from their answers that they're completely bamboozled, saying...
o "it just works"
o "it's stylish"
o "who wants viruses?"
etc.
Notice the facts show they are completely bamboozled, as shown when I ask them even the _simplest_ of facts (just as I do here), they draw a blank.
All they know is the MARKETING...
o Nothing else.
MARKETING is _that_ powerful.
It's not just Apple owners, by the way, as I ask everyone at Costco buying
a case of Techron why, and those buying Octane Boosters in the auto parts stores why, and those buying Premium Gasoline at the pump, why, etc.
In article <rb8oak$4ab$1@news.mixmin.net>,
Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> writes:
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 06:20:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
Hi Ant,
This is an important, adult, deep, & salient observation of Apple owners.
I've studied Apple owners for quite some time, where I ask, for example
while waiting in lines, _why_ people own their iPhone, and I almost always >> ascertain from their answers that they're completely bamboozled, saying... >> o "it just works"
o "it's stylish"
o "who wants viruses?"
etc.
Notice the facts show they are completely bamboozled, as shown when I ask
them even the _simplest_ of facts (just as I do here), they draw a blank.
All they know is the MARKETING...
o Nothing else.
MARKETING is _that_ powerful.
It's not just Apple owners, by the way, as I ask everyone at Costco buying >> a case of Techron why, and those buying Octane Boosters in the auto parts
stores why, and those buying Premium Gasoline at the pump, why, etc.
A modern engine will adjust its timing to run on cheap regular without knocking.
But some will give better performance (not necessarily better mileage or lifespan)
on premium.
And some people have money to burn; it's not your holy mission to persuade them
not to.
A modern engine will adjust its timing to run on cheap regular without knocking.
But some will give better performance (not necessarily better mileage or lifespan)
on premium.
And some people have money to burn; it's not your holy mission to persuade them
not to.
On 2020-06-06 2:13 a.m., Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
A modern engine will adjust its timing to run on cheap regular without knocking.
Caveat: MOST modern engines designed for higher octane gasoline will
adjust their timing to a certain extent...
....that extent not necessarily sufficient to allow the safe use of any fuel.
I have a twin-turbocharged 3.5 liter BMW 135i, so I know something of this.
:-)
But some will give better performance (not necessarily better mileage or lifespan)
on premium.
Actually, it is a case of better thermodynamic efficiency being achieved with higher compression ratios.
And some people have money to burn; it's not your holy mission to persuade them
not to.
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 09:13:40 GMT, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
A modern engine will adjust its timing to run on cheap regular without knocking.
Hi Richard L. Hamilton,
Are you related to Bruce Hamilton, who wrote the canonical FAQ on gasoline?
o <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/>
I certainly hope not, because what you wrote reeked of utter ignorance.
o Please stop falling for MARKETING bamboozling on "cheap regular".
Anyone who calls it "cheap regular" is already proven to be an idiot.
o Simply because the price itself, is utterly meaningless to the point.
Rest assured, I'm well versed in organic chemistry.
o If you don't know what 2,2,4 tri-methyl pentane is, you're clearly not.
In some (very nice ways), regular gas is far _better_ than so-called "Premium" gas as they're quite different but the differences matter
depending on the engine (and not on the piezoelectric knock sensors).
But some will give better performance (not necessarily better mileage or lifespan)
on premium.
While that's a generally held platitude, _everything_ you write reeks of sheer ignorance of the real problem set involved.
As I've said many times, for decades I've been casually asking the person next to me why they are putting so-called "Premium" fuel in a Honda Civic, and, almost invariably, some sort of MARKETING-induced bullshit ensues.
In article <rbfqjq$6su$1@news.mixmin.net>,
Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> writes:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 09:13:40 GMT, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
A modern engine will adjust its timing to run on cheap regular without knocking.
Hi Richard L. Hamilton,
Are you related to Bruce Hamilton, who wrote the canonical FAQ on gasoline? >> o <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline-faq/>
No. Never heard of him or of that FAQ before. Don't care, although I
read most of it now. Seems to me he says it does sometimes matter or
have an advantage, but is quite useless to exceed what's recommended -
and may or may not matter even then depending on conditions, driving
style, etc. Since the recommendations are conservative, most people
could probably get away with less. I'm not a conservative driver all
the time. :-)
I certainly hope not, because what you wrote reeked of utter ignorance.
o Please stop falling for MARKETING bamboozling on "cheap regular".
Anyone who calls it "cheap regular" is already proven to be an idiot.
o Simply because the price itself, is utterly meaningless to the point.
Fine, price irrelevant regular vs price irrelevant higher octane.
Rest assured, I'm well versed in organic chemistry.
o If you don't know what 2,2,4 tri-methyl pentane is, you're clearly not.
In some (very nice ways), regular gas is far _better_ than so-called
"Premium" gas as they're quite different but the differences matter
depending on the engine (and not on the piezoelectric knock sensors).
But some will give better performance (not necessarily better mileage or lifespan)
on premium.
While that's a generally held platitude, _everything_ you write reeks of
sheer ignorance of the real problem set involved.
If the owners manual for the car says premium is recommended, then I'm inclined
to believe they know what they're talking about. I wouldn't use it in a car where that wasn't stated, since that would be a waste.
Yes, I'm oversimplifying the heck out of it, but I don't need the chemistry and backstory. I'm neither a chemist, mechanic, nor professional race driver, so I don't have to give a bleep. If I cared to know more, I could, but I don't.
As I've said many times, for decades I've been casually asking the person
next to me why they are putting so-called "Premium" fuel in a Honda Civic, >> and, almost invariably, some sort of MARKETING-induced bullshit ensues.
Honda Civic. Hmm. A regular one recommends regular. But there are some that have been heavily modified, so I wouldn't conclude that the make and model told me all I needed to know to get all judgemental, and I don't happen to know enough to spot relevant mods by looking at the outside and listening.
So I'd keep my yap shut rather than sound like an arrogant jerk.
My cars are a turbo PT GT, and an '02 Trans Am (LS-1 engine). Both
recommend premium. (I _do_ read owner's manuals, assembly
instructions, installation instructions, and ingredients for
everything, although most of 'em contain few surprises). I gather that
the manuals mean premium of the usual (94 octane) generally available
in the era when those were new, so hunting down a Sunoco with 100
octane would be a waste of both time and definitely $$ (that sh_t's
pricey if you can even find it!).
But $0.60 or so a gallon difference really doesn't even amount to a
couple days mad money a year for me, and I'm not going to donate it to
YOUR favorite cause, and I like to offend ecofreaks just because. So I
don't have a reason to try and optimize and find the lowest octane
that works for me. However from observation how you try to act like
you're smarter than anyone who has a favorite product or whatever, I
also don't have a reason to listen to @-holes. If the shoe fits, pull
it out of yours and maybe STFU for awhile. Thanks...
No. Never heard of him or of that FAQ before. Don't care, although I
read most of it now. Seems to me he says it does sometimes matter or
have an advantage, but is quite useless to exceed what's recommended -
and may or may not matter even then depending on conditions, driving
style, etc. Since the recommendations are conservative, most people
could probably get away with less. I'm not a conservative driver all
the time. :-)
Fine, price irrelevant regular vs price irrelevant higher octane.
If the owners manual for the car says premium is recommended, then I'm inclined
to believe they know what they're talking about. I wouldn't use it in a car where that wasn't stated, since that would be a waste.
Yes, I'm oversimplifying the heck out of it, but I don't need the chemistry and backstory. I'm neither a chemist, mechanic, nor professional race driver, so I don't have to give a bleep. If I cared to know more, I could, but I don't.
Honda Civic. Hmm. A regular one recommends regular. But there are some that have been heavily modified, so I wouldn't conclude that the make and model told me all I needed to know to get all judgemental, and I don't happen to know enough to spot relevant mods by looking at the outside and listening.
So I'd keep my yap shut rather than sound like an arrogant jerk.
My shtick is that MARKETING drives a _lot_ of people to do stupid things.
o You can clearly see that on these Apple newsgroups (in spades).
Reason doesn't work on trolls, just nuke them and move on. :-)
My shtick is that MARKETING drives a _lot_ of people to do stupid things.
in your case, you do it as a matter of course...
o You can clearly see that on these Apple newsgroups (in spades).
...like trying to hijack the thread into yet another mindless rant.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:27:21 -0400, nospam wrote:
My shtick is that MARKETING drives a _lot_ of people to do stupid things. >>in your case, you do it as a matter of course...
o You can clearly see that on these Apple newsgroups (in spades).
...like trying to hijack the thread into yet another mindless rant.
Hi nospam,
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 09:10:46 GMT, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:[TMI]
Reason doesn't work on trolls, just nuke them and move on. :-)
THAT is what I rebel against, Mr. Hamilton.
o It bothers me that people actually _believe_ MARKETING bullshit.
Enjoy stupidity that doesn't personally damage you.
Heck, if your
ethics are flexible enough, even feel free to encourage it, pander to
it, and thereby profit from it.
I wouldn't knowingly go that far, but
to each their own. Not my thing, but I know folks that like to observe
others in public places like restaurants. It's free entertainment,
like watching a 24/7 dysfunction sitcom, and in some, it even inspires
all sorts of stories, how some initially innocent stupidity might leed
to murder, mayhem, mystery, conspiracy, etc.
P.T. Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute" (even if he didn't
actually say that himself) sounds like a lot more fun than Auntie
Unsolicited Advice's "do it for your own good".
Yes, I'm arguing IN FAVOR of the value of ignorance or even willful stupidity. It ensures that ecologically essential scavengers will
never starve, and it's wonderfully, beautifully capitalist to the core
to batten off of the corpses of the stupid, after having already
drained them as much as possible while they were alive. It's the
ultimate in profitable recycling. :-)
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