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Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.


V/R
Jim DeCaro
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"If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got."


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I concur with this. I'm still fairly new to BIND and DNS myself. I maintain 7 name servers (3 internal, 4 external) and master does signify to me that this is the server in control of the zone files for the other ones in that pool. The slaves are pretty much that to me, they take the zone files and apply them while not having any further control over the zone files themselves. In my external name servers it also goes paired with authority - slave authorities that are authoritative to the internet but slaves in that they replicate from an internal master. This is not something you'd see in real slavery, signifying that this is mere technical jargon. Is it a heavy term? Yes. Should we support "black lives matter" and condemn the completely egregious actions committed by the police officers towards George Floyd? Absolutely, and I hope that the former officers get convicted for not just manslaughter but murder, and that more protests will emerge (minus the plundering which was the case here in Brussels).

However, changing a name and going for censorship of technical jargon which will only confuse newcomers who will now face duplicate nomenclature changes NOTHING. George Floyd wouldn't have been able to survive just because we give things a different name. Instead we'd border closer to censorship which we had during the wars, and still do in heavily oppressed countries like North Korea, China etc. It's ironic that what these people are pushing for in practice is exactly the thing they seemingly seek to eradicate.

There is another relevant case where GitHub will apparently replace master branches in all their repositories. I'm really glad to be unaffected with my Gitea server. I may have to adjust my repository mirrors from GitHub however. For GitHub users, that change will likely break every one of their repositories that defaults to master and require adjustments from GitHub users of which many might not even know what branches are. That's the real impact of that and I find it deeply worrying.

I do not want such a thing to happen to BIND just to please some people with large followings on Twitter who other than that, often have no affiliation with the project whatsoever.


On 6/15/20 12:53 AM, Vinícius Ferrão via bind-users wrote:


ISC had a statement about it a time ago: Caution-https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248 < Caution-https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248 >

You can now call primary and secondary zones. But the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I really hope this thing of changing nomenclatures doesn’t go any further due to political correctness.

For the newcomers it’s not OK to break years of terms, software and documentation just because some people can’t handle terms like master and slave. Slavery still exists today and making the word disappear will not solve the issue.

And you’re correct about the BDSM thing. It’s a waste of time, efforts and lines of code.


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Some servers already do

Regards

Ben Lavender

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 19:02 DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) via bind-users, <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:

Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.

V/R
Jim DeCaro
DISA
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Windows and Unix Server Operations
FE222/DoDNet Service Section
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"If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got."

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I concur with this. I'm still fairly new to BIND and DNS myself. I
maintain 7 name servers (3 internal, 4 external) and master does signify =

to

me that this is the server in control of the zone files for the other one=

s

in that pool. The slaves are pretty much that to me, they take the zone
files and apply them while not having any further control over the zone
files themselves. In my external name servers it also goes paired with authority - slave authorities that are authoritative to the internet but slaves in that they replicate from an internal master. This is not
something you'd see in real slavery, signifying that this is mere technic=

al

jargon. Is it a heavy term? Yes. Should we support "black lives matter" a=

nd

condemn the completely egregious actions committed by the police officers towards George Floyd? Absolutely, and I hope that the former officers get convicted for not just manslaughter but murder, and that more protests wi=

ll

emerge (minus the plundering which was the case here in Brussels).

However, changing a name and going for censorship of technical jargon
which will only confuse newcomers who will now face duplicate nomenclatur=

e

changes NOTHING. George Floyd wouldn't have been able to survive just
because we give things a different name. Instead we'd border closer to censorship which we had during the wars, and still do in heavily oppresse=

d

countries like North Korea, China etc. It's ironic that what these people
are pushing for in practice is exactly the thing they seemingly seek to eradicate.

There is another relevant case where GitHub will apparently replace maste=

r

branches in all their repositories. I'm really glad to be unaffected with
my Gitea server. I may have to adjust my repository mirrors from GitHub however. For GitHub users, that change will likely break every one of the=

ir

repositories that defaults to master and require adjustments from GitHub users of which many might not even know what branches are. That's the rea=

l

impact of that and I find it deeply worrying.

I do not want such a thing to happen to BIND just to please some people
with large followings on Twitter who other than that, often have no affiliation with the project whatsoever.

On 6/15/20 12:53 AM, Vin=C3=ADcius Ferr=C3=A3o via bind-users wrote:

ISC had a statement about it a time ago: Caution- https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248 < Caution- https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248 >

You can now call primary and secondary zones. But the prevalence
of terms are still master and slave. And I really hope this thing of
changing nomenclatures doesn=E2=80=99t go any further due to political co=

rrectness.

For the newcomers it=E2=80=99s not OK to break years of terms, so=

ftware

and documentation just because some people can=E2=80=99t handle terms lik=

e master

and slave. Slavery still exists today and making the word disappear will
not solve the issue.

And you=E2=80=99re correct about the BDSM thing. It=E2=80=99s a w=

aste of time,

efforts and lines of code.

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Michael De Roover
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<div dir=3D"auto">Some servers already do<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gma= il_signature">Regards<br><br>Ben Lavender</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai= l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 19:02 D= eCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) via bind-users, &lt;<a href=3D"ma= ilto:bind-users@lists.isc.org">bind-users@lists.isc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><= /div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le= ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Or you can call the slave servers &#39;= secondary&#39; servers.=C2=A0 <br>


V/R<br>
Jim DeCaro<br>
DISA<br>
Systems Administrator<br>
Windows and Unix Server Operations<br>
FE222/DoDNet Service Section<br>
Defense Enclave Services Directorate<br>
=E2=98=8E 301-225-8180 <br>
=E2=98=8E 301-375-8180 <br>
<a href=3D"mailto:James.j.decaro3.civ@mail.mil" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no= referrer">James.j.decaro3.civ@mail.mil</a><br>
<a href=3D"mailto:James.j.decaro3.civ@mail.smil.mil" target=3D"_blank" rel= =3D"noreferrer">James.j.decaro3.civ@mail.smil.mil</a><br>

&quot;If you always do what you always did you will always get what you alw= ays got.&quot;<br>


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I concur with this. I&#39;m still fairly new to BIND and DNS myself. I main= tain 7 name servers (3 internal, 4 external) and master does signify to me = that this is the server in control of the zone files for the other ones in = that pool. The slaves are pretty much that to me, they take the zone files = and apply them while not having any further control over the zone files the= mselves. In my external name servers it also goes paired with authority - s= lave authorities that are authoritative to the internet but slaves in that = they replicate from an internal master. This is not something you&#39;d see=
in real slavery, signifying that this is mere technical jargon. Is it a he= avy term? Yes. Should we support &quot;black lives matter&quot; and condemn=
the completely egregious actions committed by the police officers towards = George Floyd? Absolutely, and I hope that the former officers get convicted=
for not just manslaughter but murder, and that more protests will emerge (= minus the plundering which was the case here in Brussels).<br>

However, changing a name and going for censorship of technical jargon which=
will only confuse newcomers who will now face duplicate nomenclature chang=
es NOTHING. George Floyd wouldn&#39;t have been able to survive just becaus=
e we give things a different name. Instead we&#39;d border closer to censor= ship which we had during the wars, and still do in heavily oppressed countr= ies like North Korea, China etc. It&#39;s ironic that what these people are=
pushing for in practice is exactly the thing they seemingly seek to eradic= ate.<br>

There is another relevant case where GitHub will apparently replace master = branches in all their repositories. I&#39;m really glad to be unaffected wi=
th my Gitea server. I may have to adjust my repository mirrors from GitHub = however. For GitHub users, that change will likely break every one of their=
repositories that defaults to master and require adjustments from GitHub u= sers of which many might not even know what branches are. That&#39;s the re=
al impact of that and I find it deeply worrying.<br>

I do not want such a thing to happen to BIND just to please some people wit=
h large followings on Twitter who other than that, often have no affiliatio=
n with the project whatsoever.<br>


On 6/15/20 12:53 AM, Vin=C3=ADcius Ferr=C3=A3o via bind-users wrote:<br>


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ISC had a statement about it a time ago: Cautio= n-<a href=3D"https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248" rel= =3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/= status/942815837299253248</a> &lt; Caution-<a href=3D"https://twitter.com/I= SCdotORG/status/942815837299253248" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D= "_blank">https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/942815837299253248</a> &gt; <=


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 You can now call primary and secondary zones. B=
ut the prevalence of terms are still master and slave. And I really hope th=
is thing of changing nomenclatures doesn=E2=80=99t go any further due to po= litical correctness.<br>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 For the newcomers it=E2=80=99s not OK to break = years of terms, software and documentation just because some people can=E2= =80=99t handle terms like master and slave. Slavery still exists today and = making the word disappear will not solve the issue.<br>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 And you=E2=80=99re correct about the BDSM thing=
. It=E2=80=99s a waste of time, efforts and lines of code.<br>


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Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am
- given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general
environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by
people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here.
Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless
blabber from social media.

What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected
are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not.
The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly
didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing
this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all.
Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for
projects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I
want to support in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and
quite heavily so.

On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:

Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.

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<p>Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer
authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code,
comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy
being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to
the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange
ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.</p>
<p>What I did notice over time however that most of the projects
affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public
image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941">Opal</a> and
recently <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091">Rubocop</a>
as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to.
The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who
shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were
affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't
even using it and just searched for projects with the name "cop"
in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my
effort to end racism, which I <i>do</i> support, and quite
heavily so.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John
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My 2 cents...

The "master" nomenclature is appropriate from a *data*dependency*
standpoint. The "master" holds the "master copy" of the zone contents ( https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/master-copy). All
other copies are duplicates of that.

Where it is inaccurate, is from a *functional* perspective, describing replication. The so-called "master" doesn't reach out and *force* the
"slaves" to replicate the zone. It can send a NOTIFY, but that's just a suggestion. Whenever an entity can choose to act, or not act, then "slave"
is the wrong term to use. Real-life slaves had no such freedom.

DNS has always had this dual identity as both a database architecture and a network connectivity architecture. So, I would say, keep the "master" terminology only in the context of the database aspects of DNS, maybe
limited to combining phrases such as "master file" or "master copy". When discussing replication, however, perhaps it is more appropriate to switch
to the primary/secondary nomenclature, or maybe even replication-client/replication-server nomenclature.


- Kevin


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:17 PM Michael De Roover <isc@nixmagic.com> wrote:

Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the requests
of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.

What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually
corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that
they weren't even using it and just searched for projects with the name
"cop" in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my
effort to end racism, which I *do* support, and quite heavily so.
On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:

Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>[ Classification Level: <font color=3D"green">PUBLIC<= /font> ]</div><br class=3D"cursAfter">My 2 cents...<div><br></div><div>The = &quot;master&quot; nomenclature is appropriate from a *data*dependency* sta= ndpoint. The &quot;master&quot; holds the &quot;master copy&quot; of the zo=
ne contents (

<a href=3D"https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/master-c= opy">https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/master-copy</a= >). All other copies are duplicates of that.</div><div><br></div><div>Where=
it is inaccurate, is from a *functional* perspective,=C2=A0describing repl= ication. The so-called &quot;master&quot; doesn&#39;t reach out and *force*=
the &quot;slaves&quot; to replicate the zone. It can send a NOTIFY, but th= at&#39;s just a suggestion. Whenever an entity can choose to act, or not ac=
t, then &quot;slave&quot; is the wrong term to use. Real-life slaves had no=
such freedom.</div><div><br></div><div>DNS has always had this dual identi=
ty as both a database architecture and a network connectivity architecture.=
So, I would say, keep the &quot;master&quot; terminology only in the conte=
xt of the database aspects of DNS, maybe limited to combining phrases such =
as &quot;master file&quot; or &quot;master copy&quot;. When discussing repl= ication, however, perhaps it is more appropriate to switch to the primary/s= econdary nomenclature, or maybe even replication-client/replication-server = nomenclature.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 - Kevin</div><div>=C2=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir= =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:17 PM Michael De Ro= over &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:isc@nixmagic.com">isc@nixmagic.com</a>&gt; wrote= :<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div>
<p>Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer
authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code,
comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy
being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to
the mailing list here. Let&#39;s keep it that way and not derange
ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.</p>
<p>What I did notice over time however that most of the projects
affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public
image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as <a href=3D"ht= tps://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941" target=3D"_blank">Opal</a> and
recently <a href=3D"https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091=
" target=3D"_blank">Rubocop</a>
as well were not. The latter one I&#39;d like to draw attention to.
The maintainer clearly didn&#39;t ask for this and asked everyone who
shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were
affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren&#39;t
even using it and just searched for projects with the name &quot;cop&= quot;
in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my
effort to end racism, which I <i>do</i> support, and quite
heavily so.<br>
</p>
<div>On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John
(Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<pre>Or you can call the slave servers &#39;secondary&#39; servers. =
=20
</pre>
</blockquote>
<div>-- <br>
Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,<br>
Michael De Roover</div>
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On 6/15/20 1:15 PM, Michael De Roover wrote:

Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.

What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for projects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and quite heavily so.

Hear Hear -


This isn't political. It's just dumb.

P.S. I wish the people all spun up on terminological trivia would actually expend their energy and activist voice to stop _real_ slavery which
goes on routinely in parts of Africa, Eastern Europe, and in China
every single day. But trying to grasp what is happening, say, to the
Uyghurs is just way more work than your virtue card punched ...
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I sense an RFC has already dictated primary and secondary but, if not and w= e're going to go to the trouble of renaming something, let's name it right = such as "source" and "copy".

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On 6/15/20 1:15 PM, Michael De Roover wrote:

Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change nomenclatu=

re is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the requests of some pe= ople on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am - given how much it a= ffects documentation, code, comments, general environment of the projects t= hemselves. I enjoy being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when i=
t comes to the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange ou= rselves into meaningless blabber from social media.

What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected ar=

e also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corporati= ons. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/9=

and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091=

as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maint=

ainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why ar=
e you doing this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at=
all. Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for pro= jects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I want to=
support in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and quite heavil=
y so.



Hear Hear -


This isn't political. It's just dumb.

P.S. I wish the people all spun up on terminological trivia would actually expend their energy and activist voice to stop _real_ slavery which
goes on routinely in parts of Africa, Eastern Europe, and in China
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On 6/15/20 1:15 PM, Michael De Roover wrote:<br>
&gt; Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change nomencl= ature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the requests of some=
people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am - given how much i=
t affects documentation, code, comments,
general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded b=
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's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless blabber from=
social media.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected=
are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corpor= ations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal &lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/o= pal/opal/issues/941">https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941</a>&gt;
and recently Rubocop &lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/= issues/8091">https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091</a>&gt; as w= ell were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer = clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone
who shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were affil= iated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't even using it an=
d just searched for projects with the name &quot;cop&quot; in it instead. T= hese are not the people I want to support
in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and quite heavily so.<br=

&gt;<br>


Hear Hear -<br>


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From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

Kevin Darcy <kevin.darcy@fcagroup.com> wrote:

The "master" nomenclature is appropriate from a *data*dependency*
standpoint. The "master" holds the "master copy" of the zone contents ( https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/master-copy). All other copies are duplicates of that.

There isn't in general a single source of truth for zone data in many DNS setups. For example, much of the zone contents may come from a database, possibly augmented by a zone file fragment, and there may be a separate
signing server that keys its keys from a third place. So it's wrong to
insist that the bad old terminology has to be used with the DNS, because
it's often completely incorrect.

Tony.
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