• Ubuntu 24.04

    From Jack@noreply@hjujhyhgtf.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu, alt.os.linux.mint, alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 04:30:00 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.

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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 09:21:44 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
    --
    microblog: https://dice.camp/@kyonshi
    macroblog: https://gmkeros.wordpress.com
    pictures: https://portfolio.pixelfed.de/kyonshi
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 10:40:12 2024
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    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a manual.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From RonB@ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 11:25:05 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera, Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now.
    --
    [Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
    "It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 12:21:01 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera, Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now.


    I had only used Redhat before so settled on Mandrake as it still used rpms and had a thriving usenet group at the time. My girlfriend at the time used Suse, I don't know what the reason was but it was nice to have choices.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 15:20:22 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
    RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
    monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
    hight :P
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 13:24:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
    RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
    monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
    hight :P

    Yes those books were great, you got something that lasted beyond the life of the
    OS and mostly remained usable until you could remember it on your own.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 16:12:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
    this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
    operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
    were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
    whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.

    (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
    make head nor tails of it)
    --
    microblog: https://dice.camp/@kyonshi
    macroblog: https://gmkeros.wordpress.com
    pictures: https://portfolio.pixelfed.de/kyonshi
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 14:55:00 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
    operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
    whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.

    (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
    make head nor tails of it)

    I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
    going and the community helped with any issues.

    When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
    in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux because of those discs.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 19:30:56 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/25/2024 4:55 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
    operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually
    were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
    whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.

    (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
    make head nor tails of it)

    I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
    going and the community helped with any issues.

    When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
    in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux
    because of those discs.


    ohh. Mandrake. I think that actually was my first Linux. I only had it
    on my computer for a hot minute before I switched to Ubuntu back then.
    --
    microblog: https://dice.camp/@kyonshi
    macroblog: https://gmkeros.wordpress.com
    pictures: https://portfolio.pixelfed.de/kyonshi
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  • From Auric__@not.my.real@email.address to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 22:57:22 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
    at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-lo >>>> ok-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.

    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?

    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and
    Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were
    boxed with CDs and a manual.

    You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
    RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
    monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
    hight :P

    I bought an intro to Linux book in the mid-to-late-90s which included a 2-
    disk Red Hat 5.1 set, and OpenLinux Lite 1.2 on a 3rd CD, and I got a
    magazine around the same time which included a SuSE 5.2 CD on the cover. (I still have the CDs; the book & magazine may or may not still be around; 25+ years can do funny things to possessions.) Both times it felt illegal to me;
    I was unfamiliar with the concept of free/open source at the time. (Nowadays it's Slackware on the server, Salix on the old laptop, and anything else
    under emulation.)
    --
    - A deep understanding of reality is exactly the same as laziness.
    - That can't be right.
    - Have you ever seen a statue of Buddha jogging?
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  • From RonB@ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com to alt.os.linux on Thu Apr 25 23:32:25 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I bought a boxed copy of SuSE. Also a couple boxed versions of Caldera,
    Linspire (I believe it was called) and one more I can't think of right now. >>

    I had only used Redhat before so settled on Mandrake as it still used rpms and
    had a thriving usenet group at the time. My girlfriend at the time used Suse, I
    don't know what the reason was but it was nice to have choices.

    I installed Mandrake once (before I fully moved to Linux), but I didn't buy the boxed set. I guess Mandrake/Mandriva still (sort of) lives on through OpenMandriva, PCLinuxOS and Mageia. I haven't tried any of these in a long time.
    --
    [Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
    "It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 06:53:55 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 4:55 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 12:40 PM, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu >>>>>> website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at >>>>>> this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?




    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and Suse. I
    think there was Corel or something like that but they were boxed with CDs and a
    manual.

    I got into Linux around the time when they bundled new versions of
    operating systems with magazines. I think my first Ubuntu discs actually >>> were Ubuntu branded, but other stuff was just the latest release of
    whatever pc/linux mag decided to put on their cover this month.

    (the first time I got one I installed was actually BeOS and I couldn't
    make head nor tails of it)

    I used Redhat before that but it was not a great success. Mandrake really got me
    going and the community helped with any issues.

    When Ubuntu came out, 2004(ish) I had a computer shop and they shipped the discs
    in small cardboard envelopes, I gave loads away and many people installed Linux
    because of those discs.


    ohh. Mandrake. I think that actually was my first Linux. I only had it
    on my computer for a hot minute before I switched to Ubuntu back then.


    Mandrake was at its best in the late 90s early 00s, by the time Ubuntu came out people had moved onto to other distros. It is nice to see PClinxOS is still going, not that I have it installed. :-(
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 06:57:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 25/04/2024 12.40, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
    at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-lo >>>>> ok-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.

    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?

    I am so old I remember selling boxed versions of Redhat, Mandrake and
    Suse. I think there was Corel or something like that but they were
    boxed with CDs and a manual.

    You did also get those in RedHat books too, I think I have a couple of
    RH6 CDs still, the books are still great, when you want to have a
    monitor a bit higher up, just put a brick under it and yeah, perfect
    hight :P

    I bought an intro to Linux book in the mid-to-late-90s which included a 2- disk Red Hat 5.1 set, and OpenLinux Lite 1.2 on a 3rd CD, and I got a magazine around the same time which included a SuSE 5.2 CD on the cover. (I still have the CDs; the book & magazine may or may not still be around; 25+ years can do funny things to possessions.) Both times it felt illegal to me; I was unfamiliar with the concept of free/open source at the time. (Nowadays it's Slackware on the server, Salix on the old laptop, and anything else under emulation.)


    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try them all.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 09:51:15 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    J.O. Aho wrote:

    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
    month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 08:53:17 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    J.O. Aho wrote:

    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
    month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
    them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.


    This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 11:18:10 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 26/04/2024 10.53, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    J.O. Aho wrote:

    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
    month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
    them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
    version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.


    This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
    ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
    worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
    so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
    someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
    finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
    stage in the adventure.
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 09:27:23 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 10.53, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-25, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    J.O. Aho wrote:

    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was included that
    month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of success, it was nice to try
    them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
    version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.


    This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and downloads
    unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal either.

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
    worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
    so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
    someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
    stage in the adventure.

    True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 12:11:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for
    ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
    worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
    so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
    someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not
    having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
    finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
    stage in the adventure.

    True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
    was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
    ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

    Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
    bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
    start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
    but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
    wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
    today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
    pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
    alone application.
    --
    //Aho

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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 10:31:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for >>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
    worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or
    so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
    someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not >>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would
    finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical
    stage in the adventure.

    True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
    was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
    ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

    Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
    bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
    start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
    but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
    today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
    pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
    alone application.


    Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
    it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From J.O. Aho@user@example.net to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 13:09:27 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 26/04/2024 12.31, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for >>>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours,
    worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or >>>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of
    someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not >>>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would >>>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical >>>> stage in the adventure.

    True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
    was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
    ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

    Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
    bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
    start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
    but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
    wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
    today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
    pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
    alone application.


    Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
    it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha

    yeah, that horror came a bit later, I still dream about the time before
    when almost all sites had the under construction sign.

    I know there was sites that was entirely built of flash, even on an
    ms-windows those sites never worked fully out... and that jscript
    appeared too, breaking everything, making sites only work fully on one company's browser.

    It was good times ;)
    --
    //Aho
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 12:23:43 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 12.31, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 11.27, Simon wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

    Keep in mind that binaries wasn't that big either, so it didn't take for >>>>> ever to download applications, sure a full sized CD would take hours, >>>>> worst was those multi disk releases that could sometimes take a day or >>>>> so, I did have a dedicated phone line for my internet, so no risk of >>>>> someone picking up the phone and break the connection, but sure when not >>>>> having a dedicated line then things would be a bit random if you would >>>>> finish a download or not, or your MUD session was broken at a critical >>>>> stage in the adventure.

    True, updating a system was easy but downloading an ISO to try was an ordeal, I
    was grateful for the magazine CDs. Hard to imagine in todays world where an DVD
    ISO can be downloaded without any thought of the size or time.

    Later on I did do some downloads and burn CD's at the university, was a
    bit faster with 1Gb network than my 16.8k modem, but flat rate I could
    start something in the evening, let it download during my time away...
    but don't forget the good side of the slow modem speeds, internet pages
    wasn't big and complex and you got the information a lot simpler than
    today when you have to have accounts, been tracked by cookies and
    pixels, javascript that tries to emulate how it would be as a stand
    alone application.


    Ah yes but don't forget you needed to have Flash installed as many websites used
    it and then all those games which were in Flash. OMG haha

    yeah, that horror came a bit later, I still dream about the time before
    when almost all sites had the under construction sign.

    Oh yes, I remember that, all the geocities pages :-)

    I know there was sites that was entirely built of flash, even on an ms-windows those sites never worked fully out... and that jscript
    appeared too, breaking everything, making sites only work fully on one company's browser.
    All the css, if ie4 or ie5 etc I am so glad we don't do that anymore, oh wait.


    It was good times ;)

    It was good to experience but I much prefer the way it is today, I pity those who don't know what an adblocker is, or script blocker but for the www is a nice
    place at the moment.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Big Al@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 09:05:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
    to look out for. He has listed some at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)
    --
    Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon 6.0.4 Kernel 5.15.0-105-generic
    Al

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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 16:06:42 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
    at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
    it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month
    schedule.

    How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember
    a few where besides cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On
    the other hand that's better for people who need a stable work
    environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)
    --
    microblog: https://dice.camp/@kyonshi
    macroblog: https://gmkeros.wordpress.com
    pictures: https://portfolio.pixelfed.de/kyonshi
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  • From Big Al@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 10:23:37 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/26/24 10:06 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major
    changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
    it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month schedule.

    How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember a few where besides
    cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On the other hand that's better for people who need
    a stable work environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)

    In reading the article above, seems the replaced a few apps, installer for one. At least revamped.
    Sounds like it would be fun to dump into a VM and play with, just to get the feel in my case.
    --
    Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon 6.0.4 Kernel 5.15.0-105-generic
    Al

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  • From Kyonshi@gmkeros@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 19:16:57 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 4/26/2024 4:23 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/26/24 10:06 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
    website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some >>>>> at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
    it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month
    schedule.

    How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I
    remember a few where besides cosmetic changes nothing obvious really
    changed. On the other hand that's better for people who need a stable
    work environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)

    In reading the article above, seems the replaced a few apps, installer
    for one.  At least revamped.
    Sounds like it would be fun to dump into a VM and play with, just to get
    the feel in my case.

    It always is fun playing with a new distro. I'd use Xubuntu, had a lot
    of success with that on various computers overtime. Really nice and
    sleek system.
    --
    microblog: https://dice.camp/@kyonshi
    macroblog: https://gmkeros.wordpress.com
    pictures: https://portfolio.pixelfed.de/kyonshi
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 18:05:41 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 4/26/24 10:06 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major
    changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
    it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month schedule. >>
    How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember a few where besides
    cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On the other hand that's better for people who need
    a stable work environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)

    In reading the article above, seems the replaced a few apps, installer for one. At least revamped.
    Sounds like it would be fun to dump into a VM and play with, just to get the feel in my case.
    I have read it is even harder to install a deb file now, pushing you into snaps.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Jasen Betts@usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org to alt.os.linux.ubuntu,alt.os.linux.mint,alt.os.linux on Fri Apr 26 23:05:36 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
    to look out for. He has listed some at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    They're all the same distro just with different pre-configurations
    --
    Jasen.
    🇺🇦 Слава Україні
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  • From Auric__@not.my.real@email.address to alt.os.linux on Sat Apr 27 04:16:49 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    Simon wrote:

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    [snip]
    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was
    included that month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of
    success, it was nice to try them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
    version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.

    This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and
    downloads unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal
    either.

    Indeed. I was the first person in my neighborhood to order high-speed
    (cable) internet in 1999; the ISP took a few weeks to get the infrastructure installed, which was frankly blazingly fast for them. My phone line was old (installed around 1950, so... old) and could only support 28.8k, if I was lucky. (My cell phone had no data plan; it was the size of an eyeglass case but only had a tiny text screen, and it cost an arm and a leg.) I downloaded Slackware 12 over dial-up in 2007 and it took me weeks; I can't imagine
    trying to do it 8 years earlier on 50-year-old wires, especially before I discovered wget.

    But that's neither here nor there; the book was bought in another state,
    while the magazine was purchased overseas.
    --
    Why should the solution start off with
    "learn to program if you don't already know how"?
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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Sat Apr 27 08:01:44 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-26, Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:
    On 2024-04-26, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
    Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
    to look out for. He has listed some at this link:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>

    The beta changes were these:

    <https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>

    I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.

    Good luck and post your views about this new release.


    the shelves? do they even still make physical media?



    Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
    See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
    Kubuntu 24.10
    Ubuntu Studio 24.04
    Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
    Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
    Ubuntu MATE 24.04
    Xubuntu 24.04
    Lubuntu 24.04
    Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)

    They're all the same distro just with different pre-configurations

    That's a perfect description, I thought about it but this is far better.
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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  • From Simon@SimonJ@eu.invalid to alt.os.linux on Sat Apr 27 08:08:25 2024
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux

    On 2024-04-27, Auric__ <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:
    Simon wrote:

    On 2024-04-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
    On 26/04/2024 08.57, Simon wrote:
    [snip]
    I used to pick and choose magazines to buy by the distro that was
    included that month. I tried all sorts, with varying degrees of
    success, it was nice to try them all.

    I only bought those without the CDs, as they were a lot cheaper and I
    did have a flat cost internet so I could download everything myself.

    Sadly most places who had Linux magazines mainly just sold the with CD
    version, so it was always going around the different stores and see if
    they happen to have the CD free version that was almost half the price.

    This was back in the mid 90s, so not only was internet slow and
    downloads unreliable, it made the phone unusable which was not ideal
    either.

    Indeed. I was the first person in my neighborhood to order high-speed (cable) internet in 1999; the ISP took a few weeks to get the infrastructure installed, which was frankly blazingly fast for them. My phone line was old (installed around 1950, so... old) and could only support 28.8k, if I was lucky. (My cell phone had no data plan; it was the size of an eyeglass case but only had a tiny text screen, and it cost an arm and a leg.) I downloaded Slackware 12 over dial-up in 2007 and it took me weeks; I can't imagine trying to do it 8 years earlier on 50-year-old wires, especially before I discovered wget.

    I had DSL by 2004 so could download ISO in a few hours, depending on location. This was a huge step up and lead to trying all sorts of distros. Finally able to
    try things to see for myself.

    But that's neither here nor there; the book was bought in another state, while the magazine was purchased overseas.

    I did have a large Linux book and also bought some Perl ones too, all lost to moving overseas :-(
    --
    Simon

    RLU: 222126

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