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On 2024-02-13, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:25:24 -0500, MarioCCCP <NoliMihiFrangereMentulam@libero.it> wrote:
<snip>

mmm, running INXI -G I possibly just got an answer.
Here the output
inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel CoffeeLake-S GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]
driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded:
modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution:
3840x2160~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel UHD
Graphics 630 (CFL GT2)

So it seems (to me) I am still relying on X-server, am I right ?

Yes. X11/Xorg will remain available for years (possibly decades),

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

as wayland does not work on some older hardware,

and neither on some new hardware. eg. Nvidia.
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Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

Where?
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On 2/26/24 04:59, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2024-02-13, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:25:24 -0500, MarioCCCP <NoliMihiFrangereMentulam@libero.it> wrote:
<snip>

mmm, running INXI -G I possibly just got an answer.
Here the output
inxi -G
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel CoffeeLake-S GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]
driver: i915 v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded:
modesetting
unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution:
3840x2160~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: Mesa Intel UHD
Graphics 630 (CFL GT2)

So it seems (to me) I am still relying on X-server, am I right ?

Yes. X11/Xorg will remain available for years (possibly decades),

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

as wayland does not work on some older hardware,

and neither on some new hardware. eg. Nvidia.

Just been through that with OpenSuse Tumblweed and Slowroll.

I don't know why but neither systemd nor wayland remind me of democracy;
more specifically that it isn't the right or the wrong that counts at
all but the *administrative prerogative* i.e. the want.








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On 2024-02-26, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

Where?

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

From that page it seems to be at the wishlist stage
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Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

Where?

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

From that page it seems to be at the wishlist stage

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if
one day there is...
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:25:05 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if
one day there is...

It required nearly 20 years for Wayland to reach its present, somewhat
pitiful, state. How long will it take X12 to achieve all the lofty goals stated within the article?

I would guess the 22nd century.


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On 2024-02-28, Nuxxie <nuxxie@linux.rocks> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 12:25:05 +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if
one day there is...

It required nearly 20 years for Wayland to reach its present, somewhat pitiful, state. How long will it take X12 to achieve all the lofty goals stated within the article?

I would guess the 22nd century.

Bit harsh, but X12 might take a while to develop. My guess is that X11
backwrds compatibility might be an issue.
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On 28/02/24 13:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced. But yeah could be years.

Where?

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

From that page it seems to be at the wishlist stage

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if
one day there is...

There is an X12 project. It's called Wayland and it sucks in many ways. Classic second system effect.
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On 2/28/2024 1:49 PM, immibis wrote:

On 28/02/24 13:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced.  But yeah could be years.

Where?

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

 From that page it seems to be at the wishlist stage

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

   This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if
   one day there is...

There is an X12 project. It's called Wayland and it sucks in many ways. Classic second system effect.

At least you can get a diagram here.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg

( https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29 )

Paul
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On 29/02/24 05:44, Paul wrote:

On 2/28/2024 1:49 PM, immibis wrote:

On 28/02/24 13:25, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Jasen Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> writes:

X12 has been announced.  But yeah could be years.

Where?

https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12/

 From that page it seems to be at the wishlist stage

That’s very much not a project announcement. It says:

   This is not to say that there's an X12 project. There isn't. But if >>>    one day there is...

There is an X12 project. It's called Wayland and it sucks in many ways. Classic second system effect.

At least you can get a diagram here.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg

( https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29 )

Paul

Seems pretty inaccurate. Most 3D game engines are either X or Wayland
clients. Most X clients use direct rendering most of the time, just like Wayland clients. Aren't proprietary blobs part of DRM? Mesa 3D should be stacked below Wayland servers and 3D game engines, since they depend
heavily on it.
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